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Re: Never buy Epson printers

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Makes sense until people stop buying them for laser printers.

There's a problem with that theory: they're simply not going to stop buying them and switch to lasers. We've had this dynamic for at least 15 years now, and people still are buying cheap-o inkjets and getting ripped off on ink cartridges. If people haven't learned after a decade and a half, they're never going to learn. Just look at the other comments on this discussion (including the blog posting that started it all…

People don't really print anymore. If you do print, you're an office or business that runs laser printers.

Re: Never buy Epson printers

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Never buy any inkjet printer. I threw in the garbage a Canon multifunction that refused ton work as a SCANNER when its ink was empty. If you have the space and print a lot of black and white, buy an eight year old used HP LaserJet with an Ethernet interface.

100% this! Older 4700 and 5000 series color laserjets are a tremendous value used and are totally serviceable with cheap eBay parts too.

Even a 4100DTN is a great deal, sub $100.

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I bought a Brother (HL-2170W) laser printer about 8 years ago, and it's still using its original cartridge. I do very little printing, but I do need it from time to time. During my last move, I accidentally tipped a book shelf on top of it. Cracked a few plastic bits, and bent some metal things inside it. I unbent the metal, and glued the plastic, and the thing still prints like it's new out of the box. I've talked m…

I would recommend Brother too, HL-2135W, very solid product.

Re: Never buy Epson printers

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I have one major use-case for (very cheap) inkjet printers: on the beach. I run a non-trivial number of beach volleyball tournaments[1], and the beach is not a terribly hospitable place for electronics. So I carry with me a cheap printer that's light to carry. If it takes a fast-moving ball that breaks off a part, or it gets overloaded with sand, dust, destroyed by rain, whatever, it's no skin off my back, since it w…

How do you power it? Are there battery powered printers these days?

Re: Never buy Epson printers

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Since most folks only print black and white for occasional stuff (forms, taxes, resumes, etc), something like the Brother HL-L2320D mono laser printer is a good bet. Works with Linux (rpm and deb available from their site), wireless, affordable. It's under $90 and toner is $30 for 1200 pages (2.5 cents per page) or $49 for 2600 pages (1.9 cents per page). Compare that to $13 for 175 pages (7.4 cents per page) with th…

This is not just for me though, I consult and regularly recommend printers to clients. If they are business scale we always go laser, but home users do not want to hear they should buy multiple printers for b/w + color printing, and they don't want to buy a scanner separately (the 2340D is perfect except it lacks a scanner). In many cases, it is hard enough to get them even remember what the print icon looks like, ho…

I usually recommend lasers to very infrequent printers as well due to the likelihood of an inkjet cartridge drying out or clogging up between infrequent printings.

And you caught my copy pasta error. The first reference was indeed to the 2340D not the 2320D.

Re: Never buy Epson printers

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I don't know why people still bother with inkjets. It's like the companies are actively punishing you for buying these models of printers. If they are necessary for work, then MAYBE. But even then, if you're buying commercial hardware you're not dealing with this junk either. It also used to be that laser was incredibly expensive in comparison, now they're about the same price if you compare color inkjet to black and…

You can't generalize all inkjet printers. I use a Canon Maxify Injket in my company (we print only ~200 pages / month) and it's amazing. There is no laserjet that could compete in price/print.

I don't print 200 pages a year. I might not even print 200 pages in 2 years. At my usage level I would have to buy a new freaking inkjet cartridge EVERY TIME I wanted to print because they'd be dry.

Re: Never buy Epson printers

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I don't know why people still bother with inkjets. It's like the companies are actively punishing you for buying these models of printers. If they are necessary for work, then MAYBE. But even then, if you're buying commercial hardware you're not dealing with this junk either. It also used to be that laser was incredibly expensive in comparison, now they're about the same price if you compare color inkjet to black and…

Some people like to print photos. Unless some things have changed, they are better at printing photos.

They probably are. I wonder if you'd be better off printing the photos at Walgreens or something like that. Also, it would seem HIGHLY wasteful to use a high quality photo inkjet printer to print your Amazon return label...

Re: Never buy Epson printers

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I bought a Brother (HL-2170W) laser printer about 8 years ago, and it's still using its original cartridge. I do very little printing, but I do need it from time to time. During my last move, I accidentally tipped a book shelf on top of it. Cracked a few plastic bits, and bent some metal things inside it. I unbent the metal, and glued the plastic, and the thing still prints like it's new out of the box. I've talked m…

I feel like a laser printer evangelist now. I have a few laser Brother models I always recommend to people who complain about their inkjets based on their OS, the functions they need, and if they primarily print BW or color.

Sort of like high deductibles did to people's willingness to seek medical treatment, I know more than a few people with inkjets that actively avoid using them because "it's so expensive and never works".

They're afraid to use up their ink, so it ends up expiring(!) or drying out having been barely used, and the next time they desperately need to print something, they have to buy $50+ of cartridges before they can print anything at all.

The HL-2140 I got in '09 for $60 can print on transparencies for PCB masking, does manual duplexing and easy booklet printing under Linux and OSX, and with aftermarket toner refills I've only needed to replace the drum/cart once. Contrasted to the cost efficiency of all the low or mid range inkjets I've owned ($80-350), it's been an exceptional return.

Re: Never buy Epson printers

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Not true at all. Buy a good management solution (we use PrinterLogic) and buy good printers. By getting rid of crap devices, putting the good, self-service management system in solution in place, and proactively replacing consumables, we took something like 75k annual printing tickets down to around 300. Those support interactions and dispatch cost like $1M/year, so eliminating them paid for 100% printer replacement…

The problem is that you can only afford to do that if you're a moderately large business. For home users or small schools (where I have worked), that's simply not an option moneywise...

Decent 3rd party print management solutions start around $25/printer. They are often free when tied to hardware.

Nobody can afford garbage equipment. You're better off doing without.

Re: Never buy Epson printers

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How hard would that be to hack together some printer harware and make it a Kickstarter?

It's the business model that is the problem no the tech. This dude spent 5 hours trying to hack his printer. He is the problem! Just value your time and go out and buy a decent printer ffs. To get a printer this bad you have to spend next to nothing on it :-)

There are plenty of horrible printers though.

A decent printer? Sure, I'd like one. Just.. where do I find one? And how would I be sure it's not one of bad ones?

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