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Marissa Mayer Wants Three More Years to Turn Around Yahoo

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Re: Marissa Mayer Wants Three More Years to Turn Around Yahoo

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But Steve wasn't just a great product person, and it wasn't just a great product that turned Apple around. If you dig into the actual history, Steve significantly restructured Apple when he returned, killing licensing deals and products without a future, and refocusing the remaining product line before he set about creating a single new true innovation. And remember that Apple didn't really pick up steam until it cap…

I think we all agree Mr. jobs was a talented engineer, and knew innately that the average computer user needed simplicity, and someting slick. He succeeded. I'm not sure what Yahoo even does these days. They do have money, especially if they cut more jobs, and bring in that money sitting in that Chinese company. If I was in her shoes, I would put a lot of money into a wifi/cellular phone. Something like Rebublic wire…

> I would love to see Yahoo get into this market. Get cell phone bills to under $10-$20 a month? It just seems like something they could do?

Either you'd have to build a nationwide network (think at least tens of billions in capital expenditure upfront) or rent from existing providers (so they can essentially undercut you at any time or pull the rug from under you). Neither is easy.

I wish this was possible as well but the barriers for a newcomer are pretty bad. :(

Re: Marissa Mayer Wants Three More Years to Turn Around Yahoo

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Maybe instead of beating up on MM, we could look at Yahoo the way we look at Twitter: Yahoo could be great if the world would let Yahoo be Yahoo. But Yahoo being Yahoo would be a smaller company, with smaller, focused business, and happy customers. But it would have a smaller market cap, and today’s investors would take a massive haircut. So they keep plowing ahead trying to be a tech giant. Because they bought tech…

Nice insight. Seems like there's a pattern here, in which high public visibility creates expectations which push a company out of its optimal mode of operation.

Re: Marissa Mayer Wants Three More Years to Turn Around Yahoo

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I am sorry to say that Yahoo management doesn't have a clue about what its doing. Case in point : I used to be a avid fan of the show Community and was elated when Yahoo picked it up. However for Canadian viewers I learnt it was only available only certain days of the week. WTF? And don't event get me started on the streaming issue. They couldn't even get the basics of online video right.

> only available only certain days of the week. WTF?

Hilarious. Conways law in action. "organizations which design systems ... are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_law

Re: Marissa Mayer Wants Three More Years to Turn Around Yahoo

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My problem with her all along is that before Yahoo she literally has only ever had one job. And that job was part of the management structure with a successful company. While there she developed a reputation as a data-driven iterator, not a visionary leader who can create direction and focus. She inherited what others had already started, and figured out things to measure, then analyzed the measures very competently.…

> She inherited what others had already started I am not Marissa Meyers' biggest fan, but I feel I have to come to her defense here. She was employee #20 at Google. She didn't inherit anything, she helped build Google from the ground up. There are a lot of reasons why Marissa is not a good CEO, but a history of riding on other people's coattails is not one of them.

I can clarify what I mean, and it's not that she's simply ridden on other's coattails. She operated on her own and fantastically competently in what she did there. However, AFAIK, she did not originate or lead the early direction or kickoff of any of the products she worked on at Google. These were all products with directions and ideas that others put in place.

She lead efforts to broaden the appeal and usability of all of these things once they already existed. This was not easy effort, or easy work. It has challenges and requires smart thinking like the other parts of product development. Simply figuring out what to measure can often require enormous creativity.

These are very different skillsets and very few people have the skills to cross the boundaries from initiate to grow to sustain. She seems to have good skills in the grow and sustain areas, but I'm not aware of her having ever started any major product from scratch.

If you look at what she's been doing at Yahoo this has carried through. She's tried to initiate changes to grow and change direction of existing products, and she's tried acquiring other existing products. But she hasn't kicked off a whole new class of "thing" at Yahoo from scratch.

I know comparisons to Jobs is being thrown around here, but I don't think that's fair. He was such an outlier that I don't think it's very instructive to make those comparisons. Mayer needs to be compared to other more "prosaic" CEOs. Even her Yahoo predecessors. Even her former Google bosses.

I'm pretty sure at this point that she hasn't been doing what's needed as a CEO of a large company. I'm not even sure she's brought much more to the table than her Yahoo predecessors.

Think about this, the biggest Yahoo news since she's taken over has been the possibility of a sale and revelation that the corporate portfolio is essentially worthless minus its investment stakes in other companies. This was true before she started and remains true today. She has had no effective change in Yahoo despite being there for a while.

What is Yahoo? It's a holding company that holds stakes in other companies and has a legacy media and internet arm that could be shut down tomorrow with almost no bottom-line impact to the company.

Here's an example strategy that she should be undertaking:

0) Yahoo! changes names to Y!

1) All Y! products are to be spun out as individual businesses with Y! as the majority shareholder. 49% of each company should be offered up in a near-term IPO.

2) Y! will spend raised cash on purchasing stakes in other companies a la Alibaba.

3) Y! will form a both a Startup investment arm with significant seed capital and a Startup accelerator called Y!-Combine. To help enable success, these companies (and other acquisitions) get access to Y!'s existing technology portfolio, server/compute infrastructure and advertising network.

4) Y! will start a technology R&D arm called Y!-Research that will research technologies it can add it its portfolio of startup and acquisition enabling technologies. Any technology reaching a significant enough maturity level will be evaluated for sale, spin-out or open sourced.

There. 4 steps that convert Yahoo from a whatever it is into a technology holding company with 4 continuous growth options and almost no headline grabbing layoffs needed. In fact she can start hiring all the people to make this possible today.

Re: Marissa Mayer Wants Three More Years to Turn Around Yahoo

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> She inherited what others had already started I am not Marissa Meyers' biggest fan, but I feel I have to come to her defense here. She was employee #20 at Google. She didn't inherit anything, she helped build Google from the ground up. There are a lot of reasons why Marissa is not a good CEO, but a history of riding on other people's coattails is not one of them.

I can clarify what I mean, and it's not that she's simply ridden on other's coattails. She operated on her own and fantastically competently in what she did there. However, AFAIK, she did not originate or lead the early direction or kickoff of any of the products she worked on at Google. These were all products with directions and ideas that others put in place. She lead efforts to broaden the appeal and usability of…

> AFAIK, she did not originate or lead the early direction or kickoff of any of the products she worked on at Google.

And how would you know that?

Re: Marissa Mayer Wants Three More Years to Turn Around Yahoo

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My first question would be, as it has been for 12 years: "what is Yahoo supposed to be good at?".

The failure to answer that has been Yahoo's biggest problem for the entire last decade, and probably for most of the one before that.

In fact, this was the first question I asked when the company I worked for was acquired by Yahoo and their management team came over to talk to us. The answer I got was a completely delusional "we take what others have invented and we do it better". I didn't score any brownie-points for pointing out that while the copying bit was true enough, the "improving" part was pure wishful thinking unconnected with any observable reality.

I kept insisting on an answer, I never got one and eventually I quit and joined a competitor.

I think the key question is not whether or not Marissa believes she can save the company. She might be delusional as well. The question is whether or not Marissa can articulate what Yahoo is supposed to be good at.

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I am sorry to say that Yahoo management doesn't have a clue about what its doing. Case in point : I used to be a avid fan of the show Community and was elated when Yahoo picked it up. However for Canadian viewers I learnt it was only available only certain days of the week. WTF? And don't event get me started on the streaming issue. They couldn't even get the basics of online video right.

> only available only certain days of the week. WTF? Hilarious. Conways law in action. "organizations which design systems ... are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_law

I recently learned that Mel Conway (the same Conway) did some of the earliest work on recursive descent parsers.

http://www.melconway.com/Home/Inventor.html

Appel's compiler book credits him with the invention, but Cooper and Torczon cite one earlier reference.

Edit: poking around that site reveals an article which seems like it deserves a thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11273710.

Re: Marissa Mayer Wants Three More Years to Turn Around Yahoo

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My first question would be, as it has been for 12 years: "what is Yahoo supposed to be good at?". The failure to answer that has been Yahoo's biggest problem for the entire last decade, and probably for most of the one before that. In fact, this was the first question I asked when the company I worked for was acquired by Yahoo and their management team came over to talk to us. The answer I got was a completely delusi…

A number of us here agreed it was a nice one-stop shop for a little bit of everything with Directories' curated info being a particular gem. Thing is, the former has been 100% surpassed (esp by Facebook/Google) with the later sold off long time ago.

So, the question must be asked. I supported Marissa's first attempt to save it. Looking at current situation, I'd reject the second one. She could apply this attitude to less hopeless companies with a lot better results.

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