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America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by rantanplan »

Wingman4l7 wrote: post #210
rantanplan wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad that in my country there are laws that prohibit homeschooling to replace regular education. Also I see what problem they solve, to prevent people like you ruining a child's mental health. The public school system is more about socializing than gaining knowledge. But how could a person like you understand that, when you think that: " I think having them make $60 an hour while their friends make nothing will b…

The public school system is not without its flaws. For many, it can be battling constant abuse by their "peers" -- people neither their social nor mental equals, the like of whom they'll never interact with as adults -- under the guise of "learning social skills". Additionally, it's full of outdated, half-false, and irrelevant curriculum & busywork, pandering to the lowest common denominator and increasingly focused…

All of the things you mentioned are true and still homeschooling is worse. You know why? Our society is not without its flaws either. So unless you can provide a full alternative reality experience to your children, I'd say stand back.

And by the way, who's preventing you to teach your children to identify(and thus ignore) the flaws of this system?

What you're suggesting is the nuclear option and I don't see any reason for that.

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Post by lagadu »

hasenj wrote: post #199
emptyfile wrote: post #194

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What the hell? "My kids are gonna be web devs by 13 and they're gonna like it!" Is this considered normal with you stylish, American, Silicon Valley types? Do you think children are like Pokemons or Sims or RPG characters who you control from a 3rd person perspective?

Do you think 13 year olds should be treated like 5 year olds who are not suitable to do anything except having people laugh at their reactions?

13 year olds should be treated like 13 years olds: they go to school and after they leave they get to go hang out with their boy/girlfriends, do sports, ride their bikes around or play videogames with their friends.

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Post by SixSigma »

kagamine wrote: post #170
conceit wrote: post #111

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before you care about that question, you should ask yourself, "should it?." BTW: Am I doing this little american grammatical quirk with the punctuation within quotes right?

As a Brit: You should ask yourself, "should it?".

Or, as another Brit:

You should ask yourself: "should it?"

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by SixSigma »

esaym wrote: post #32

I don't expect the public school system to teach my children anything. Hence why they won't be attending. Most of the schools I attended growing up were completely useless. Filthy, full of drugs and gangs. Sadly I even listened to some of my teachers more than I did my own parents (indoctrination) which I now see lead me down the wrong path. I don't expect the public school to teach my kids any kind of career skills…

I am glad I am not your child.

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Post by tremon »

spacecowboy_lon wrote: post #189
kuschku wrote: post #140

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Germany, in fact, does leave people behind. But it doesn't leave them without perspective. The tiered school model of Germany sorts you into one of three tiers based on your abilities with the age of 10, which gets even more specific over the years after that. Only people finishing from the highest tier can go to a theoretical university, people from the tier below can at maximum go to a university of applied science…

Ah just like the old System the UK had with Grammar schools for the middle class and Secondary modern for the working class kids whose role in life to leave school at 15/16 and work in industry.

It's got nothing to do with "working class kids" and their "role in life". I've had classmates from very affluent parents move into vocational training, and I've had poor friends complete a university degree.

That the US and UK fail in this matter doesn't say anything about the rest of the world's ability to provide equal opportunity for all children.

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Post by ekianjo »

rantanplan wrote: post #205
esaym wrote: post #32

I don't expect the public school system to teach my children anything. Hence why they won't be attending. Most of the schools I attended growing up were completely useless. Filthy, full of drugs and gangs. Sadly I even listened to some of my teachers more than I did my own parents (indoctrination) which I now see lead me down the wrong path. I don't expect the public school to teach my kids any kind of career skills…

I'm glad that in my country there are laws that prohibit homeschooling to replace regular education. Also I see what problem they solve, to prevent people like you ruining a child's mental health. The public school system is more about socializing than gaining knowledge. But how could a person like you understand that, when you think that: " I think having them make $60 an hour while their friends make nothing will b…

Lol, there were centuries without mandatory education before us, do you assume all kids ended up being stupid and incapable?

And socializing, give me a break. Looks like you were never a victim of bullying, discrimination or racket.

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Post by ekianjo »

lagadu wrote: post #212
hasenj wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think 13 year olds should be treated like 5 year olds who are not suitable to do anything except having people laugh at their reactions?

13 year olds should be treated like 13 years olds: they go to school and after they leave they get to go hang out with their boy/girlfriends, do sports, ride their bikes around or play videogames with their friends.

Mozart at 13 was not hanging out with his friends partying around.

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Post by EliRivers »

esaym wrote: post #32

I don't expect the public school system to teach my children anything. Hence why they won't be attending. Most of the schools I attended growing up were completely useless. Filthy, full of drugs and gangs. Sadly I even listened to some of my teachers more than I did my own parents (indoctrination) which I now see lead me down the wrong path. I don't expect the public school to teach my kids any kind of career skills…

"I even listened to some of my teachers more than I did my own parents (indoctrination)"

Why is being indoctrinated by parents any better?

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by rantanplan »

ekianjo wrote: post #216
rantanplan wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad that in my country there are laws that prohibit homeschooling to replace regular education. Also I see what problem they solve, to prevent people like you ruining a child's mental health. The public school system is more about socializing than gaining knowledge. But how could a person like you understand that, when you think that: " I think having them make $60 an hour while their friends make nothing will b…

Lol, there were centuries without mandatory education before us, do you assume all kids ended up being stupid and incapable? And socializing, give me a break. Looks like you were never a victim of bullying, discrimination or racket.

Ah, you're talking about the middle ages right? Yeah those were the times.

And by the way public education was institutionalized even in the Ancient Greece era.

So what about bullying and discrimination? This is your response? Close your eyes and hide? The only kids that I saw getting bullied were weak kids whose parents were overprotecting them. Instead of encouraging them to join a team sport(or a similar activity), they were trying to steer them away from being exposed to social activities. You see their kids were special, so they shouldn't mingle with the "plebe". It didn't work out well for them.

I'm not saying that bullying is not something you shouldn't be aware of, but this is not how you deal with it.

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