Well, Microsoft had the best (and most widely deployed) desktop UNIX distribution back in the 80s too.
Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux
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Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it used to speculate that the supposed linux distro would be MIT licensed That doesn't sound very credible of them. The kernel is stuck as GPL; that won't change anytime soon.
Distributions can have licenses. Most modern distributions are MIT licensed (meaning you can create derivative distributions under the conditions of the license). OpenSUSE is still GPLv2 and is one of the last ones (Debian switched to MIT recently IIRC).
Where did you read Debian switched to MIT?
Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Frankly the knife cuts both ways. Microsoft has a long way to go before they get the benefit of the doubt from me due to their decades of Embracing Extending and Extinguishing.
I might be wrong about you personally and I am speaking of the Linux Community as a whole. I still find it incredibly hypocritical of people's anti-Microsoft stance while they walk around with their Apple products. I seriously see more Macs at every Linux event then any other kind of computer. Most Anti-Microsoft really is anti-Steve Ballmer.
Here here. Probably some of those Macs are running Linux though.
Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux
#114Why Linux? The networking stack on BSD is superior, and the OS places no copyleft restrictions! I'm starting to believe that developers choose OS/Tools the are used to (Linux in this case) versus the one best suited for the job (BSD)
> ... and the OS places no copyleft restrictions! I'm still baffled why people think this is a benefit. If you actually care about software freedom, lack of copyleft is a bad thing IMO. What's to stop $EvilCorp from creating a system that is completely locked down, can't be replaced, and is based on your technology? That's what UEFI is, by the way. It's only by Microsoft's blessing that you can install alternative op…
FYI, the TianoCore FAT driver is actually non-free thanks to Microsoft.
Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux
#115Why Linux? The networking stack on BSD is superior, and the OS places no copyleft restrictions! I'm starting to believe that developers choose OS/Tools the are used to (Linux in this case) versus the one best suited for the job (BSD)
> ... and the OS places no copyleft restrictions! I'm still baffled why people think this is a benefit. If you actually care about software freedom, lack of copyleft is a bad thing IMO. What's to stop $EvilCorp from creating a system that is completely locked down, can't be replaced, and is based on your technology? That's what UEFI is, by the way. It's only by Microsoft's blessing that you can install alternative op…
BTW, if anyone wants to stand up for Copyleft, Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) needs your support:
Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Frankly the knife cuts both ways. Microsoft has a long way to go before they get the benefit of the doubt from me due to their decades of Embracing Extending and Extinguishing.
I might be wrong about you personally and I am speaking of the Linux Community as a whole. I still find it incredibly hypocritical of people's anti-Microsoft stance while they walk around with their Apple products. I seriously see more Macs at every Linux event then any other kind of computer. Most Anti-Microsoft really is anti-Steve Ballmer.
I think Apple at least has not tried to strategically attack linux/OSS via rumors and lies a la halloween documents.
But I certainly agree that the linux community on a whole should re-evaluate its position on MS. If you expect that to happen over night, you are a fool.
Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
it was actually the most widely used real Unix at one (very dark) point.
Interesting thought. I have no problem believing it was running on the largest number of CPUs. I wonder if it had the largest number of users.
https://books.google.com/books?id=Dz8EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA92661&o...
From that article:
"according to AT&T, roughly half of the 500,000 Unix licenses are held by Xenix developers"
Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
I might be wrong about you personally and I am speaking of the Linux Community as a whole. I still find it incredibly hypocritical of people's anti-Microsoft stance while they walk around with their Apple products. I seriously see more Macs at every Linux event then any other kind of computer. Most Anti-Microsoft really is anti-Steve Ballmer.
Here here. Probably some of those Macs are running Linux though.
Have you tried running Linux on a Mac? No really temperature / fan control due to unreleased drivers. Also a ton of other pains.
Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux
#119In a sudden twist of fate, Microsoft announces that are writing their own closed source systemd alternative. Millions of naysayers flock to the systemd hailing it as the Savior of Linux.
I pondered this for a bit wondering what the Microsoft equivalent of systemd is, and decided it's probably svchost: it runs a bunch of services on your behalf in an opaque way, and occasionally needs killing when it eats all your memory. Microsoft already have binary logging that's much harder to read than text files. I'm not sure if there's an equivalent to process reaping, or whether that's handled by the kernel.
Microsoft's equivalent is called "wininit" and spawns services (inc. svchost shared process groups and services.exe), lsass ("Local Security Authority Subsystem Service"), lsm ("Local Session Manager"), winlogon ("Windows Login subsystem" for session 0), initialises the registry, creates temp if it doesn't exist, etc. During shutdown after winlogon terminates (session 0 terminates), wininit then sends ExitWindowsEx() to all system processes before exiting itself.
The two really are 1:1. Windows under the hood is VERY UNIX like. More so than most people realise.
Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting thought. I have no problem believing it was running on the largest number of CPUs. I wonder if it had the largest number of users.
https://books.google.com/books?id=Dz8EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA92661&o... From that article: "according to AT&T, roughly half of the 500,000 Unix licenses are held by Xenix developers"
As I alluded, it's a question of what you're measuring. CPUs, developers, and users could all vary between versions.
I really am amazed by that figure, though. Wow. And I had forgotten that xenix ran on some bigger machines, not just pcs.