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Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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I doubt Ethernet switches run SQL Server.

I think ISA server (a firewall, essentially) required SQL Server, so they tried, they really tried.

This is going back a bit, but from memory that was just for "advanced logging", which was enabled on a default install. You could either not configure advanced logging, or you could use a remote SQL server.

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Agreed - it's good to be cautious - but, Microsoft's approach toward E/E/E was rational (if slightly evil), when they were trying to control the platform . But now, they are trying to control the service/data, in which case the cloud-API (theirs, preferably) is what they want everyone to buy into. In that model, they deploy completely proprietary service interfaces (similar to what Amazon does with AWS, stripe with t…

Oh, we're already seeing ahem Skype ahem . Is that not MS? Is that not Linux? Is that not seriously user-hostile? (Ohbutthat'ssomethingcompletelydifferent. Right?)

Not really. I'd say it's more that Skype on Linux isn't a priority for them. They have it on Windows, Mac, Android, and iOS...

And if you think it's user-hostile for MS to not continue development of Skype on Linux, don't you have to agree that Instagram, Snapchat, and all the other app developers that don't release apps for Windows Phone are user-hostile as well?

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Oh, we're already seeing ahem Skype ahem . Is that not MS? Is that not Linux? Is that not seriously user-hostile? (Ohbutthat'ssomethingcompletelydifferent. Right?)

Not really. I'd say it's more that Skype on Linux isn't a priority for them. They have it on Windows, Mac, Android, and iOS... And if you think it's user-hostile for MS to not continue development of Skype on Linux, don't you have to agree that Instagram, Snapchat, and all the other app developers that don't release apps for Windows Phone are user-hostile as well?

There's a difference between "let's not start a port of Y at all" and "start degrading experience on an existing port of Z." (See? "MS is completely pro-Linux (where completely excludes anything that contradicts this, leading to a nice circular definition)" - that's as no-true-scotsman as you can get)

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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I doubt Ethernet switches run SQL Server.

I think ISA server (a firewall, essentially) required SQL Server, so they tried, they really tried.

Except that ISA server ran on regular PC/server hardware. There is a big difference between a firewall/proxy and an ethernet switch.

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Agreed - it's good to be cautious - but, Microsoft's approach toward E/E/E was rational (if slightly evil), when they were trying to control the platform . But now, they are trying to control the service/data, in which case the cloud-API (theirs, preferably) is what they want everyone to buy into. In that model, they deploy completely proprietary service interfaces (similar to what Amazon does with AWS, stripe with t…

Oh, we're already seeing ahem Skype ahem . Is that not MS? Is that not Linux? Is that not seriously user-hostile? (Ohbutthat'ssomethingcompletelydifferent. Right?)

Considering how inept the development of Skype was during the last years on any platform i find it completely unplausible that there is any nefarious intent to this.

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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In what ways is the BSD networking stack superior?

Throughput. The BSD networking stack has been very carefully engineered over time. Linux is OK, but nowhere near as robust. FreeBSD is legendary for load tolerance and network throughput, that on equal machines would choke a Linux server. Seen it, work(ed) with it. When we do something serious that requires heavy load and awesome throughput, we always lean on FreeBSD, never anything else. Everything else has always l…

Got benchmark numbers on that?

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Xenix was a Unix. It started out as based on Unix V 7, then System III, then System V when MS finally sold it to SCO. MS tends to keep a lot of fingers in a lot of cakes, even in surprising areas. Given the number of kernels MS Research has released, it wouldn't be too terrible of a stretch to see MS release some sort of unix at some point.

NT had a fairly robust POSIX layer, too, for a while. Enough to get POSIX certified for the checkbox driven PHBs.

No, that layer was famously WeirdIX - it was a literally unusable box-ticking exercise.

They later bought Interix, who created the foundations of Windows Services For Unix, which was a much better and actually usable Unixlike layer, running directly as an NT subsystem, at the same level as Win32.

(This is as distinct from Cygwin, which supplies a GNU layer on top of Win32.)

Re: Microsoft will release a custom Debian Linux

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Because the hardware [1] mostly is only supported on Linux, or the Linux support is more mature. Take the Cavium products: they shipped multiple distributions of Linux on the Arm64 products 2+ years ago, and FreeBSD around 18 months later. The Juniper products only support Linux. [1] http://www.opencompute.org/wiki/Networking/SpecsAndDesigns

The Juniper products only support Linux. A lot of Juniper products arrive with FreeBSD pre-installed. They just aren't obvious about it.

Sure.

But the OpenCompute ones listed don't.

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