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Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio

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Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio

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Oh please. I do that 20x a day without R Studio. Saving a chart is as simple as png(...). You are clearly too mouse-bound. I reject your comment out of hand.

Why save it at all when in RStudio you can skip that step. Doesn't have anything to do with a mouse either because you still write and execute all the code with the keyboard. This all seems very out of left field.

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Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio

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post #58

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Oh please. I do that 20x a day without R Studio. Saving a chart is as simple as png(...). You are clearly too mouse-bound. I reject your comment out of hand.

"You are clearly too mouse-bound." Funny, I always thought personal computing not being about strict protocol but more like freestyle guitar playing where individual styles are not as important as the results of the techniques.

actually, while the idiom seems initially appealing that feestyle guitar would more closely resemble using the (superficially analogue) mouse than using a (clearly digital) keyboard, actually the opposite is true. That is because the mouse is limited to a small selection of prescribed onscreen choices, whereas the keyboard, while still being a digital medium (unlike the freestyle guitar - on that I agree), has a much, much wider palette of expressiveness thanks to the inevitably orders-of-magnitude greater combination of command combinations of which it is capable.

Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio

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While I'm somewhat ambivalent about Windows-only tools, it's nice to see R getting love from all the big players. The more market share and developers using it, the more the tools and implementation improves, and the better for all of us. Just finished an assignment using R Studio, Knitr and Plotly, so much less pain than Excel+macros or Stata.

I also vastly prefer R to Pandas, where the same functionality for plyr seems awfully verbose and unclear.

I definitely prefer R to pandas, dyplr and tools were soo much easier to use for subsetting dataframes and dealing with them, initially I thought python might be better because it was supposed to be easier, but boy was I wrong.

Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio

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I welcome RTVS, but as an Rstudio user, I am now curious about what things are _substantially_ different between the two. They're, at least superficially, very similar. In other words, why would an Rstudio user consider a switch to RTVS?

RStudio is a fantastic IDE. It's been under development for years by some of the smartest ppl in the R community. it's currently decidedly better than RTVS. There are things here & there that RTVS might be better at, but this mvp was mostly about getting the heart-lung "IDE" features out. Some things you get w RTVS (partly courtesy of VS are): * Multi-lingual: projects w C#, Python, SQL, etc. * Multi-line repl: recal…

Love the honesty and detailed answers. Looking forward to see the future of the product.

Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio

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While I'm somewhat ambivalent about Windows-only tools, it's nice to see R getting love from all the big players. The more market share and developers using it, the more the tools and implementation improves, and the better for all of us. Just finished an assignment using R Studio, Knitr and Plotly, so much less pain than Excel+macros or Stata.

After downloading this and installing I filled out a survey. One of the questions was about seeing this in VS Code. Yes, please. So there is hope.

Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio

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What are you talking about? The text-based R interpreter has exactly the same graphical capabilities as R Studio.

I'm talking about RStudio being a much better tool for data visualisation. If people wish to stick with the command line, I won't dissuade them. I just personally find there are better tools for producing data visualisations with R.

ah, but the path less trodden has its own rewards. The purity of the command line, the sparsity of it all it, unpolluted by decadent convenience-cruft, is satisfying in itself. Approach the heart of the machine!

Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio

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"You are clearly too mouse-bound." Funny, I always thought personal computing not being about strict protocol but more like freestyle guitar playing where individual styles are not as important as the results of the techniques.

actually, while the idiom seems initially appealing that feestyle guitar would more closely resemble using the (superficially analogue) mouse than using a (clearly digital) keyboard, actually the opposite is true. That is because the mouse is limited to a small selection of prescribed onscreen choices, whereas the keyboard, while still being a digital medium (unlike the freestyle guitar - on that I agree), has a much…

Aye, but using a well-designed program allows you to use both the keyboard and mouse simultaneously. Especially something like visual studio, you can create keybindings for damn near everything, set up macros, etc, plus still use the mouse for quick and dirty stuff. So a visual interface may be more like a two-necked guitar, where some think it's a gimmick, and there's admittedly a bit of lost flexibility from both sides, but you gain more overall.

Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio

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Personally never did R studio. Unfiltered command line is always more flexible, and prevents inertial lockin to a specific tool, OS, to a large extent. Now I'm supposed to do R in ultra-bloated Visual Studio?? I learned R precisely to get away from the inefficiency of the (in the past 20 years, functionally unchanged, visual-candy-only) Excel. How am I to be excited about adding this thick, lumpy MS gravy, to my pure…

> R is best used unfiltered Actually, no it's not. One of R's strengths is its ability to manipulate data and then visualise the output. Doing this via the command line is slow and cumbersome. Do you plan to output a chart, save it, then open it with another application? RStudio excels in not just being an IDE, but also a visual data representation tool. Write the R code, view the chart in the same application (Rstud…

That's not where RStudio outperforms console R. You don't have to save a chart and open it with some other program, it opens a dedicated window for plots that you can put anywhere you want. Functionally it's the same thing.

RStudio shines when it comes to viewing data, global variables, and command history. Personally, I found the editor itself to be far too restrictive so I switched back to emacs and the command line. Also, as far as I know there's no way to get a true dark theme in RStudio where the entire application is dark, not just the code.

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