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Intermittent Fasting Is Gaining Acceptance
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#152I've been doing Leangains style IF for the past four years. I'd like to share a few quick tips. If anyone here wants to try intermittent fasting, do it for the sake of convenience. I don't eat breakfast or lunch, I just eat when I get home from work or after weight training. On weekends I break my fast earlier than on weekdays. I wouldn't say you should do it for the "benefits" if it doesn't fit your lifestyle. Right…
> It's OK to eat outside your feeding window
Everybody's different, I use meal time and IF in part to limit what I eat. I have to because I love everything about eating, the taste, the feeling of eating, the socialising environment, etc. . I ccan eat anything at any time, and have a bottom less stomach.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've read conflicting information about whether it's truly necessary to consume protein/carbs within 30 minutes of a workout, which I think is the basis of your question. Or whether as long as your overall diet is sufficient, it doesn't matter. I've been fasting on Mon/Wed, and these are usually the days when I do recovery (i.e. slow) runs. I will run once or twice on these days, with my single meal in between. Typic…
How do you avoid losing weight given your exercise level and low calorie intake?
I am currently losing weight (slowly), about 5 lbs since I started. But to answer: I eat more calories on the days I'm not fasting. Let's do the math:
At my age and weight, I need ~ 1900 calories/day to maintain my weight assuming I'm sedentary. That's 13,300 calories/week.
I run 76 miles per week. That's about 7,600 calories.
So 20,900 calories a week. On two days I restrict myself to 600/day, so that's 19,700 across the other 5 days, or 3,940 calories on those days. But I've been losing about 0.5 lb/week, which is a deficit of about 1750 calories/week. So on those other 5 days I must be around 3600 calories.
3500-4000 calories a day is a lot, but not extreme, just ask any weight lifter. And I happen to really enjoy food. So it hasn't been a problem.
But, I may have to reduce my fasting to 1 day a week once I reach my goal weight.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
A conspiracy theory states that breakfast is the most blah blah was invented by the agri-lobby to up the sales of cereal etc.
""[I]n many ways, the breakfast is the most important meal of the day, because it is the meal that gets the day started," Lenna F. Cooper, B.S., writes in a 1917 issue of Good Health, the self-proclaimed "oldest health magazine in the world" edited by none other than Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, the co-inventor of flaked cereal. "It should not be eaten hurriedly, and all the family, so far as possible, should partake of…
"It should not be a heavy meal, consisting of over five to seven hundred calories" is still good advice. That's about how big my breakfast is. Yes, I weigh it and count the calories.
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#155People have been advocating, skipping breakfast since long, like more than a century.
There is this book, published in 1900 by a doctor named, Mr.Edward Dewey, the title of which is - The No Breakfast Plan and the Fasting-Cure.
I have read this book, and it amazes me how logical, everything that doctor has explained.
I don't have breakfast.
Here is the link to the book on Gutenberg - http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/27128
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#156I've been eating mostly in the 5pm-10pm window for the last 6 months after watching a few TED talks and related videos. Adjustment took about a week or two. I don't feel hunger during the day but when u get home I eat all I want. Lost 10 kilos and am feeling great. Every other morning I go for a 4K run and every day I go for a swim in the ocean. Don't feel any hunger after the run or swim. I cook breakfast for my fam…
> The bad: socially awkward. Most social gatherings involve eating. All celebrations are eat-feasts.
I found the opposite: since I can skip breakfast and lunch, going out at night and having beers and snacks without reaching my daily limits is possible.
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#157Seemingly everyone is talking about this in the context of 'gains' as part of a high-exercise lifestyle. What about the rest of us on the bare minimum of exercise? Is it possible that simply skipping breakfast has all these health benefits?
Well eat if you're hungry and don't if you aren't. Just don't eat because "it's time", "it's socially accepted" or any of this shit. Also hungry doesn't mean "I haven't had food in my mouth in less then 3 hours".
That's the gist of it, but we humans have to complicate it, because "complicated" is supposedly more scientific then "simple".
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#158I'll add one more anecdote for IF. I've been doing it for 3 years and for me it's been the most effective way to get in and stay in shape. Coffee with a bit of milk or cream in the morning keeps me until 1-3pm (I've never gone full bulletproof coffee, but coffee definitely helps.) As others have mentioned, a run feels really good toward the end of the fast. Heavy olympic lifting hasn't been a problem but I only lift…
I do IF, with milk in my tea and coffee before lunch, and then break the fast at lunch time. I think I better watch my milk input, particularly on non-lifting days (I'm a real amateur lifting), since it's probably bringing me out of "fasted" state according to my body. I drink a five cups of tea/coffee by lunch time.
In response to both of you, I really don't think that you have "fasted" in a particular period if you are consuming calories at all.
You're certainly restricting calories and I'm sure it's a positive step, healthwise, etc., but ...
If we have a goal of depleting the energy stores in our liver, you're interrupting (and perhaps) sabotaging that.
OR, if we are trying to restrict calories into a certain time window, you've opened up that window with the butter and the milk. You're no longer in the 16, you're in the 8 (so to speak).
Re: Intermittent Fasting Is Gaining Acceptance
#159I've been doing Leangains style IF for the past four years. I'd like to share a few quick tips. If anyone here wants to try intermittent fasting, do it for the sake of convenience. I don't eat breakfast or lunch, I just eat when I get home from work or after weight training. On weekends I break my fast earlier than on weekdays. I wouldn't say you should do it for the "benefits" if it doesn't fit your lifestyle. Right…
> It's OK to eat outside your feeding window Everybody's different, I use meal time and IF in part to limit what I eat. I have to because I love everything about eating, the taste, the feeling of eating, the socialising environment, etc. . I ccan eat anything at any time, and have a bottom less stomach.
Leangains IF assumes that you track your macros. I was just talking about your feeding window influencing hormonal entrainment (ghrelin).
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's pseudoscience. Irregular eating is normal for hunter/gatherer societies, and most animals like our ancestors that sit in a scavenger niche. We know (or have good evidence that; I followed a link once and am too lazy to look up the research) our gut has adapted just in the 10k year period after the advent of agriculture. Agrarian societies are built around grain storage and rationing. They absolutely have regul…
I think to claim it's pseudoscience is to claim it's more than a hypothesis. The OP did no such thing. The virtual certainty is from his perspective, not yours (or mine). EDIT: I would also strongly recommend divorcing our DNA from our gut in this case; they are two different things, and both certainly influence our metabolic processes.
> I would also strongly recommend divorcing our DNA from our gut
Why? The gut flora has its own DNA, and it absolutely coevolves with the rest of the organism. It's non-sensical to say that we're "adapted" for something via one mechanism and not the other. Adaptations use the full spectrum of evolvable media (including culture, for that matter) by definition. They aren't separable unless you can literally point to a specific gene or bacteria or cooking practice. And we can't.