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AlphaGo beats the world champion Lee Sedol in first of five matches

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Re: AlphaGo beats the world champion Lee Sedol in first of five matches

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Post by awwducks »

dwaltrip wrote: post #8

This is my generation's Gary Kasparov vs. Deep Blue. In many ways, it is more significant. Several top commentators were saying how AlphaGo has improved noticeably since October. AlphaGo's victory tonight marks the moment that go is no longer a human dominated contest. It was a very exciting game, incredible level of play. I really enjoyed watching it live with the expert commentary. I recommend the AGA youtube chann…

Yep, terrific commentary by Myungwan Kim 9p on the AGA channel.

For the folks who aren't as familiar with the game, how did you find the commentary (for any channel)? What would you be interested in hearing for events like these?

Re: AlphaGo beats the world champion Lee Sedol in first of five matches

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cromwellian wrote: post #10
singhrac wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that terrifying? It's a very special purpose-built tool. We'll still always have Calvinball! https://xkcd.com/1002/

The way AlphaGo plays is more general purpose than other game playing systems. It doesn't have any heuristics, rules, or game rule books programmed into it, it learned to play Go like you would. The same technique could be applied to other areas, the same way DeepMind originally got super-human level Atari 2600 game performance purely by having it watch pixels.

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Re: AlphaGo beats the world champion Lee Sedol in first of five matches

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Post by visarga »

nbaksalyar wrote: post #13
GraffitiTim wrote: post #2

A historic moment here, folks. Incredible, and in my opinion a little terrifying.

What's more terrifying is that AlphaGo can learn even further, from these and other matches. Just hard to imagine what lies ahead.

AlphaGo playing itself would be like playing Lee Sedol or better, so it has itself as a great training companion.

Re: AlphaGo beats the world champion Lee Sedol in first of five matches

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Post by esturk »

sethbannon wrote: post #7

I was at the 2003 match of Garry Kasparov vs Deep Junior -- the strongest chess player of all time vs what was at that point the strongest chess playing computer in history. Kasparov drew that match, but it was clear it was the last stand of homo sapiens in the man vs machine chess battle. Back then, people took solace in the game of Go. Many boldly and confidently predicted we wouldn't see a computer beat the Go wor…

I've never felt playing against what is suppose to be an entire room of machines (wether Deep Blue or Watson) to be fair. What would be fair is to limit the total mass of the computer to say 200kg and leave it at that. What is effectively happening is AlphaGo is running on a distributed system of many, many machines. Even Watson took an entire room. Google is paying a premium to push AlphaGo to win.

Re: AlphaGo beats the world champion Lee Sedol in first of five matches

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Post by skybrian »

cromwellian wrote: post #10
singhrac wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that terrifying? It's a very special purpose-built tool. We'll still always have Calvinball! https://xkcd.com/1002/

The way AlphaGo plays is more general purpose than other game playing systems. It doesn't have any heuristics, rules, or game rule books programmed into it, it learned to play Go like you would. The same technique could be applied to other areas, the same way DeepMind originally got super-human level Atari 2600 game performance purely by having it watch pixels.

Unlike with the Atari games, AlphaGo learned from a large database of human games. It'll be interesting to see how much that matters when they try it again without it.

Re: AlphaGo beats the world champion Lee Sedol in first of five matches

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Post by taneq »

jonbaer wrote: post #15

"AlphaGos Elo when it beat Fan Hui was 3140 using 1202 CPUs and 176 GPUs. Lee Sedol has an equivalent Elo to 3515 on the same scale (Elos on different scales aren't directly comparable). For each doubling of computer resources AlphaGo gains about 60 points of Elo."

So has AlphaGo raised its level so far just by continuing with the games against itself? Or did they just throw their entire server farm at it? (Or both, probably.)

Re: AlphaGo beats the world champion Lee Sedol in first of five matches

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Post by taneq »

nbaksalyar wrote: post #13
GraffitiTim wrote: post #2

A historic moment here, folks. Incredible, and in my opinion a little terrifying.

What's more terrifying is that AlphaGo can learn even further, from these and other matches. Just hard to imagine what lies ahead.

The Singolarity is here!

Re: AlphaGo beats the world champion Lee Sedol in first of five matches

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Post by Eliezer »

EGreg wrote: post #17

Does this mean in the next few decades, computers will make better sex partners and companions than any human?

Worrying about the effect of strong AI on sexual relationships is like worrying about the effect on US-Chinese trade patterns if the Moon crashes into the Earth.
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