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Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

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Re: Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

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The points in the article are all true but there's a case when the poor would pay less that isn't discussed.

For something like toilet paper people who aren't poor probably don't even check the price. In that regard they would be paying more than someone who did comparisons to find the most economical option.

Re: Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

#12

Some destitute-college-student friends were telling me that they lived on a $20/week of rice + beans + canned tomatoes; I suggested that I take them out to Costco and for $100 stuff their pantries with ~3 months of supplies. They patiently explained to idiot me that the reason they ate so poorly was because finding $100 was effectively impossible.

You could lend them $100 at 20% APR, and they could pay you back with costco savings.

Re: Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

#13

Some destitute-college-student friends were telling me that they lived on a $20/week of rice + beans + canned tomatoes; I suggested that I take them out to Costco and for $100 stuff their pantries with ~3 months of supplies. They patiently explained to idiot me that the reason they ate so poorly was because finding $100 was effectively impossible.

Credit or loans would allow them to take advantage of that scenario... if they could get access to credit.

Re: Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

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The poor get financially hosed in so many different ways in the US that singling out toilet paper, of all things, seems almost laughable.

How about real killers, like payday loans, bank fees, and paying more for milk, eggs, and everything else at the corner store because you don't have transportation to get to Costco?

And if you want next level hosedom, how about the opportunity cost of having limited or no transportation?

Many of the poor have felony criminal records, as I do, so how about the political cost of being denied the right to vote?

The list goes on and on. [edit] The title does say "..and almost everything else" so I guess I missed that.

Re: Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

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Every so often I read one of these articles. Thing is, this isn't new information. I've been reading about it since at least the 80's (and I'm quite certain it's been happening since forever). Sadly, nothing every gets done about it. The price of a half gallon of milk will never be half the price of a whole gallon.

Re: Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

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post #4

This reminds me of getting ahead of a leveling curve in a game. If you can do that, you can level in better areas (relative to your present level), giving you better rewards (relative to your present level) which then helps you get to even better areas. The only way to get ahead of the leveling curve is to work really hard at first, and it's painful (or boring), and then reap the rewards after. Or in the context of t…

My god, you've solved poverty!

Much (most? all?) poverty is caused by human behavior, not adverse circumstance. Just because we know it's caused by human behavior doesn't mean we can fix it.

Re: Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

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post #6

"One possible solution is that retailers could consider pushing their deals to the beginning of the month." I wonder is she realized what she was saying/implying by writing that. She's basically saying "the poor can't be trusted to save their money, so help them spend it well, before they waste it [later in the month]".

No. She's saying that the poor can't save their money, because they don't have the luxury of not having to spend it to stay fed, clothed, and housed.

Re: Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

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post #14

The poor get financially hosed in so many different ways in the US that singling out toilet paper , of all things, seems almost laughable. How about real killers, like payday loans, bank fees, and paying more for milk, eggs, and everything else at the corner store because you don't have transportation to get to Costco? And if you want next level hosedom, how about the opportunity cost of having limited or no transpor…

The article also explained why toilet paper was chosen. It's something people stock up on when they can, but having a stock pile doesn't change usage habits. It turns out to be a good product for investigating what the article is interested in.

Re: Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

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Some destitute-college-student friends were telling me that they lived on a $20/week of rice + beans + canned tomatoes; I suggested that I take them out to Costco and for $100 stuff their pantries with ~3 months of supplies. They patiently explained to idiot me that the reason they ate so poorly was because finding $100 was effectively impossible.

This is why immigrants with strong community support rapidly get out of poverty while the exact same people (ie. same skill, environment, ability) without a strong community don't.

With community support you can pool your money, then split the goods and the savings.

But you have to be able to implicitly trust your community.

Do your friends have other friends in similar situations? Do they trust them enough to make pooled purchases?

(Also, you start with pooled purchases simply to help your community. Eventually that transitions into making a bit extra, and before you know it you opened a store. If you are a good person, then you continue to quietly help people in your community with discounts or credit.)

Re: Why the poor pay more for toilet paper and just about everything else

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post #6

"One possible solution is that retailers could consider pushing their deals to the beginning of the month." I wonder is she realized what she was saying/implying by writing that. She's basically saying "the poor can't be trusted to save their money, so help them spend it well, before they waste it [later in the month]".

No. She's saying that the poor can't save their money, because they don't have the luxury of not having to spend it to stay fed, clothed, and housed.

No, she did not say that. Otherwise why would the timing of the sale (start of month vs end) make any difference?
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