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Re: How cancer cells fuel their growth

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Post by cellis »

_0w8t wrote: post #34
garyclarke27 wrote: post #26

A low carb diet has been proven to inhibit the development of most cancers, because of their huge requirement for glucose. The obvious conclusion from this research is that low carb AND low protein diet is the best option to inhibit cancer. Kind of also supports leading bio hackers such as Dave Asprey creator of Bulletproof coffee. His podcasts are brilliant, they have made a big impression on me - as a result I've s…

This does not explain how people in rural China that eat mostly carbs with very little fat and consume 25% calories more per body mass than westerners have noticeably less rates of most cancers. Only their rate for stomach cancer is significantly elevated compared with Western levels.

And as for the stomach cancer, there is some research about this; I read an article ( can't find the link now, sorry ), but lack of glucose means the stomach is starved for mucous and thus leads to higher incidences of stomach cancers.

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Post by _Wintermute »

garyclarke27 wrote: post #26

A low carb diet has been proven to inhibit the development of most cancers, because of their huge requirement for glucose. The obvious conclusion from this research is that low carb AND low protein diet is the best option to inhibit cancer. Kind of also supports leading bio hackers such as Dave Asprey creator of Bulletproof coffee. His podcasts are brilliant, they have made a big impression on me - as a result I've s…

And yet in this week's nature is an article linking high dietary fat to intestinal and colorectal cancers. Don't base your diet on someone's podcast, especially if they're trying to sell you something.

Re: How cancer cells fuel their growth

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Post by garyclarke27 »

petegrif wrote: post #52
andy_ppp wrote: post #33

Dom D’Agostino on various things about Ketosis and Cancer fighting. http://fourhourworkweek.com/2015/11/03/dominic-dagostino/ Ted Talk here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fM9o72ykww I'm going to try the Bullet Proof Coffee recipe I think!

It can scarcely be described as coffee. To my taste it is an unspeakably vile tasting concoction.

Depends on ingredients - Bulletproof branded coffee is OK but to mild and bland for my taste - not as bad as American hotel coffee but nothing like Italian. In UK Tesco finest Costa Rica coffee , filtered water , thermos drip machine (hot plate ruins coffee) Rachels Organic grass fed butter (like cream) then must be blended actually tastes amazing I sometimes add a little expensive GMC organic forest honey or Xylitol if I want zero carbs.

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Post by noondip »

merpnderp wrote: post #39
junto wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't you just trading cancer for heart disease though?

Last time I went on a low card diet my cholesterol and triglycerides went from marginal to optimal. In 3 months. Notice that the AHA now says cholesterol is no longer a nutrient of concern. When it comes to fats, the leading recommendation is to limit saturated fats, not total fat intake. And the AHA even (reluctantly) recommends an Atkins style diet, to get started for weight loss, but to discontinue after a few mon…

Cholesterol and triglycerides will always drop in the short-term when weight is lost. 3 months is not a long enough time to make a sound judgement about your diet.

With regards to an Atkins-style diet, you need to read the facts on http://atkinsexposed.org/ and not get your information from an organization with a financial incentive to promote unhealthy foods.

Re: How cancer cells fuel their growth

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Post by noondip »

koevet wrote: post #3

Does it mean that protein intake should be lowered to reduce cancer risk?

Yes, of course. The World Health Organization and pretty much every other respectable, not-for-profit medical authority in the world recommends fewer than 10% of calories from protein in a healthy diet. Especially limiting animal protein, and preferring plant-based protein, is important for avoiding cancers.

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Post by noondip »

garyclarke27 wrote: post #26

A low carb diet has been proven to inhibit the development of most cancers, because of their huge requirement for glucose. The obvious conclusion from this research is that low carb AND low protein diet is the best option to inhibit cancer. Kind of also supports leading bio hackers such as Dave Asprey creator of Bulletproof coffee. His podcasts are brilliant, they have made a big impression on me - as a result I've s…

Citation, please. Not from someone who sells products, either. A low-carb diet makes no sense, because cancer-fighting fruits and vegetables, for example, are mostly carbs, whereas foods typically associated with high-fat eating (namely: meat, dairy) are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be a major catalyst of various cancers.

Bottom line: the healthiest diets are those that revolve around whole plant foods.

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Post by noondip »

personjerry wrote: post #56
_0w8t wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does not explain how people in rural China that eat mostly carbs with very little fat and consume 25% calories more per body mass than westerners have noticeably less rates of most cancers. Only their rate for stomach cancer is significantly elevated compared with Western levels.

Do you have a citation for this?

The China Study by T. Colin Campbell PhD.

Re: How cancer cells fuel their growth

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Post by noondip »

_Wintermute wrote: post #72
garyclarke27 wrote: post #26

A low carb diet has been proven to inhibit the development of most cancers, because of their huge requirement for glucose. The obvious conclusion from this research is that low carb AND low protein diet is the best option to inhibit cancer. Kind of also supports leading bio hackers such as Dave Asprey creator of Bulletproof coffee. His podcasts are brilliant, they have made a big impression on me - as a result I've s…

And yet in this week's nature is an article linking high dietary fat to intestinal and colorectal cancers. Don't base your diet on someone's podcast, especially if they're trying to sell you something.

Exactly this. Check out http://nutritionfacts.org/ on this topic - there is a load of peer reviewed research for your purveying pleasure.

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Post by merpnderp »

noondip wrote: post #74
merpnderp wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I went on a low card diet my cholesterol and triglycerides went from marginal to optimal. In 3 months. Notice that the AHA now says cholesterol is no longer a nutrient of concern. When it comes to fats, the leading recommendation is to limit saturated fats, not total fat intake. And the AHA even (reluctantly) recommends an Atkins style diet, to get started for weight loss, but to discontinue after a few mon…

Cholesterol and triglycerides will always drop in the short-term when weight is lost. 3 months is not a long enough time to make a sound judgement about your diet. With regards to an Atkins-style diet, you need to read the facts on http://atkinsexposed.org/ and not get your information from an organization with a financial incentive to promote unhealthy foods.

So you're saying "atkinsexposed.org" is good, but the American Medical Association is "an organization with a financial incentive to promote unhealthy foods."

Yeah, good luck convincing people with that argument.

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Post by noondip »

merpnderp wrote: post #79
noondip wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cholesterol and triglycerides will always drop in the short-term when weight is lost. 3 months is not a long enough time to make a sound judgement about your diet. With regards to an Atkins-style diet, you need to read the facts on http://atkinsexposed.org/ and not get your information from an organization with a financial incentive to promote unhealthy foods.

So you're saying "atkinsexposed.org" is good, but the American Medical Association is "an organization with a financial incentive to promote unhealthy foods." Yeah, good luck convincing people with that argument.

It isn't the American Medical Association which I'm referring to, but rather the American Heart Association. From the parent's source:

> The DGAC used the 2013 American Heart Association/American College of Cardiology (AHA/ACC) report on lifestyle management to reduce CVD risk for its evaluation of saturated fat intake. The DGAC concurred with the AHA/ACC report that saturated fat intake exceeds current recommendations in the United States and that lower levels of consumption would further reduce the population level risk of CVD.

The cited work is http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/129/25_suppl_2/S76.long

This page explains it well - http://www.pcrm.org/nbBlog/index.php/new-dietary-guidelines-...

> The report suggested that cholesterol in foods is not a major danger, contrasting with the Institute of Medicine, which found that cholesterol in foods does indeed raise blood cholesterol levels, especially in people whose diets are modest in cholesterol to start with. On this topic, the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee did no original research and instead deferred to a 2014 report by the American Heart Association and American College of Cardiology. However, the American Heart Association receives substantial cash payments for certifying food products, including cholesterol-containing food products as “heart healthy,” creating a financial incentive for discounting the relationship between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol. The Physicians Committee is concerned that exonerating dietary cholesterol will only confuse an already bewildered public. Most people do not differentiate fat from cholesterol, or dietary cholesterol from blood cholesterol. To suggest that cholesterol in foods is not a problem will lead many to imagine that fatty foods or an elevated blood cholesterol level carry no risk—two potentially disastrous notions.

> Accordingly, the Physicians Committee has petitioned the USDA and DHHS to disregard the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee’s findings on dietary cholesterol. The reliance on the American Heart Association document does not comply with the spirit of the Federal Advisory Committee Act, which sets standards for bias among federal advisory committees.

They have filed a lawsuit against the USDA and Department of Health and Human Services:

http://www.foodpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/Physicians-Co...

I highly recommend reading it to understand the sad, corrupted state of affairs I had alluded to.

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