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Eating chocolate is associated with improved brain function

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Re: Eating chocolate is associated with improved brain function

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I agree with you. I enjoy straight espresso and good black coffee. If I want to 'sweeten' it I add some milk. When getting coffee at shops I have mistakenly received one of those super sweet caramel, sugar whatever they are called and almost had to spit out the sip. I wonder if it is learned or if people who like sweets have different taste buds than those who do not. I also like really hoppy beer and bitter candy.

It is partially learned, partially a built-up tolerance. Anecdata: About three years ago I drastically reduced my intake of carbohydrates, including all forms of sugar and starch. After around two months, I tried tasting some things that I had stopped eating -- fruit juice, a bit of pie -- and discovered that they were horribly sweet to my tongue.

The amount of sugar going into foods has increased. I remember there being around 20 grams of sugar in most sodas. Now, there is typically about twice that amount, and Honest Teas are "lower in sugar" with 19 grams. The US food industry's tactic is this: foist lots of sugar on people when they're kids and don't know any better. Then, when they're adults, you can get away with plying them with lots of high fructose corn syrup, which is super cheap due to subsidies.

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That's called dopamine. The chocolate you eat probably has sugar in it (otherwise it tastes horrible; try raw cacao), and sugar is a drug associated w/ the release of dopamine in the brain.

>otherwise it tastes horrible; try raw cacao Every luxury food or drug tastes horrible until you've learnt to enjoy it. Remember your first beer or coffee? My guess is sugar would initially taste somewhat foul ('sickly sweet') if one was brought up without it. EDIT: I'm not recommending that people start snorting or imbibing cocoa powder. However I think that if this were the only form of chocolate then one would qui…

I still don't like the taste of coffee or beer.

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I'm not disparaging the researchers here but really I couldn't help thinking of this: https://xkcd.com/882/

If you're wondering why you're getting downvoted: The figure of speech you're using is colloquially known as "no offence, but you're an arsehole"[0].

[0] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=no+offense&pa...

Re: Eating chocolate is associated with improved brain function

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All food is healthy. Diets can be unhealthy. It really is interesting that the whole science is concentrating on a single ingredient.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11232835 and marked it off-topic.

This comment is on-topic. Everything else is off-topic.

Improve that precision!

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Hmm, yes, that is true. But "science" doesn't pull explanations from the air (that would be religion or superstition, ya know). Science first finds unlikely or unexpected correlations, unlikely or unexpected measurements, and seeks to understand from whence they came. Are they artifacts of the observation process? Tainting of the measurement process? Or spurious correlations, such as the one between height and spelli…

If you go outside with a measuring tape and a stopwatch you'll discover there's an unlimited number of measurements you can make. So that can't be how scientists operate. They are guided by prior theories. >[science] doesn't pull explanations from the air Well, people think about problems and then ideas sometimes pop into their heads. No one understands how yet. So explanations do come out of the air, metaphorically…

you'll discover there's an unlimited number of measurements you can make

Absolutely correct.

So that can't be how scientists operate

I'm torn between writing "citation needed" and "unwarranted conclusion from stated premises" so I'll go with both.

The head of the department where I did my physics undergrad spent years, decades, measuring everything there was to measure about plasma: Energy input, energy output, temperature of the phase change (plasma is a distinct phase of matter), spectral distribution, etc., etc., etc.

He wrote many papers, primarily on his measurements, and also on how he refined and improved the measurement process. I don't recall at all well, but I don't believe there were overmany hypotheses, let alone theories. He was about data, not models.

There are theorists who spend the bulk of their time with pens and imagination, occasionally - for some, rarely - checking in with the empirically real world.

A very few of these have names we celebrate for changing the shape of the world - Darwin, Newton, Einstein. And these particular luminaries knew the shape of the real world, knew existing theory didn't fit. (Newton is famous for saying he stood on the shoulders giants. Kepler was one such. Kepler measured and measured and measured and devised a relation. No theory, just a relation to link his measurements.)

Without the many scientists who do nothing but measure, measure, measure, scientists many of us would consider tedious drudges, these luminaries could never have known that theory didn't fit data. Or that data didn't fit intuition. Or that data was just plain weird.

Science does indeed proceed this way, bottom up, from measuring anything and everything of interest (to someone - maybe not to most of us, but to someone - I invite you to read The Map that Changed the World).

Science also proceeds from the top down, from theory to measurement. But often because there was another theory that failed to align with existing measurement. Think general relativity and its better prediction of the motion of Mercury, which failed to align with Newtonian Gravitation, which itself would never have arisen had Kepler not spent so many hours measuring, measuring, measuring. (And general relativity was a generalization of special relativity, which was created to explain a particular vexing measurement, the constancy of C. Einstein did not set out to reinvent gravity, he started simply explaining how C might be constant. He got to gravitation when he generalized relativity to non-inertial reference frames (that's what the special meant: inertial reference frames only).

We measure first. Just because we are that curious.

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Yup, I am concerned about the insulin response / glycemic index. Hmm...

Found it on https://www.researchgate.net "Holt SHA, Brand Miller JC, Petocz P. An insulin index of foods: the insulin demand generated by 1000-kJ portions of common foods. Am J Clin Nutr 66, 1264-1276" I highly recommend it as a source for glycemic response of different foods; some things are entirely counterintuitive. Are you on low sugar/flour/starch diet?

I am not on a low sugar/flour/starch diet right now, but I'm trying to switch to one. I have a family history of diabetes. I've mostly cut out sugar. But cutting out flour/starch has been a bit harder.

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From personal experience, every bite of chocolate provides me a moment of bliss and happiness. I think happiness is the real reason for improved brain function. I find myself most productive and most capable when I am happy.

That's called dopamine. The chocolate you eat probably has sugar in it (otherwise it tastes horrible; try raw cacao), and sugar is a drug associated w/ the release of dopamine in the brain.

Anecdote: I find raw cacao nibs to be delicious.

Re: Eating chocolate is associated with improved brain function

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There is a radio program in the UK called More or Less, who''s (whom's?) motto is "Correlation is not causation". Admittedly, I have neither read the paper, nor did I fully understand the section on proving the direction of influence, but I can't help but feel this research makes pretty poor use of statistics and logic, however much I wish to believe the result. Is all nutritional research this bad?

"whose" sounds about right.
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