So does it mean that people from a Chinese background celebrating St Patrick and dressing in green would be culturally insensitive because that's not their culture ? Or are white people practicing judo and wearing a kimono racist toward Japanese people ? Or that a latino female cannot teach yoga because it's cultural appropriation and disrespectful toward Indians ? So did that college ban all these stuff already because PC ? where does it stop ? everybody sticks to their culture and we enable global separation by race, sex, gender, country of origin in College so nobody get outraged at something somebody different than him might do ?
Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros
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Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros
#72The thing that really drives me nuts about the PC movement is that it infantilizes and stereotypes the very groups and cultures it purports to protect, robbing them of their own voices and self-agency. It latches onto a cardboard cutout of a stereotype for a culture and uses it to browbeat others into acceptance of the activist's interpretation of that culture and what may or may not be offensive to it. Empathy is a…
> The thing that really drives me nuts about the PC movement is that it infantilizes and stereotypes the very groups and cultures it purports to protect, robbing them of their own voices and self-agency.
Thank you so much. The problem with SJWs is: when you point this out to them, they'll usually shitstorm you beyond belief.
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#73IMHO, the rise of SJWs of all kinds is caused by rising gender equality in the US and Europe. Now that women and men are quite equal in our societies (though e.g. the pay gap and a gap in leadership positions remains, although the latter is most likely caused by the fact that there are not many people who want 80+h work weeks to begin with), all those who dedicated their entire personal life and their careers to advancing feminism need something to continue to work in their area.
And if you can't find a real job, just look for another "minority" to "support" at all costs.
Edit: or well, find a real minority with real problems - like PoC who are being shot by police apparently for sports or Latinos who are in the line of fire of Trump and friends. "But... wait... there's powerful opposition there (cops, Trump fans), too dangerous, let's mob against people who party in sombreros" I hear the SJWs scream...
Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It means nothing. Hell, I am Mexican and if I wear a sombrero (which, literally just means hat, any hat), it just means either its really sunny outside and I don't have a cap for some reason, its an old-fashioned town party or I just felt like wearing a hat. A sombrero is not a yamaka, it has no religious or deeply symbolic meaning beyond that of a baseball cap or a pair of overalls. Nobody needs to have a party with…
Really, yours is the only comment that should be made on the article (and most of the article itself shouldn't have been written either, since the author didn't seem to care to find a Mexican to interview). The only thing relevant in any PC incident is what actual people from the possibly-offended group actually think and feel. It behooves the rest of us to just shut the hell up.
Well, I don't claim to speak for all Mexicans, though. Much less for Mexican-Americans, who might have a stronger reaction to this sort of thing after decades of considering themselves American but having Anglo-Americans be "oh, so, aren't you one of those foreign peoples with the funny hats?". So just interviewing me and having me be "oh, if it's just wearing sombreros it might be fine" is hardly comprehensive.
But I think what matters, in addition to (and co-varying with) how the affected minority feels, is the attitude of the people doing this. There is a fine but still relatively objective line between a party that celebrates Mexican culture, one that mocks it, and one that does neither. Also, even if you think you are in the third or first case, if someone comes to you and tells you that they feel you have done the second, how you react to that is important.
Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros
#75The thing that really drives me nuts about the PC movement is that it infantilizes and stereotypes the very groups and cultures it purports to protect, robbing them of their own voices and self-agency. It latches onto a cardboard cutout of a stereotype for a culture and uses it to browbeat others into acceptance of the activist's interpretation of that culture and what may or may not be offensive to it. Empathy is a…
> The thing that really drives me nuts about the PC movement is that it infantilizes and stereotypes the very groups and cultures it purports to protect, robbing them of their own voices and self-agency. Thank you so much. The problem with SJWs is: when you point this out to them, they'll usually shitstorm you beyond belief.
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Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros
#76The thing that really drives me nuts about the PC movement is that it infantilizes and stereotypes the very groups and cultures it purports to protect, robbing them of their own voices and self-agency. It latches onto a cardboard cutout of a stereotype for a culture and uses it to browbeat others into acceptance of the activist's interpretation of that culture and what may or may not be offensive to it. Empathy is a…
Particularly in this case, if the WaPo is right and the party was organized by a student of Colombian descent.
Telling a Latino that mini-sombreros are offensive - the gall is extraordinary.
Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros
#77IMHO, the rise of SJWs of all kinds is caused by rising gender equality in the US and Europe. Now that women and men are quite equal in our societies (though e.g. the pay gap and a gap in leadership positions remains, although the latter is most likely caused by the fact that there are not many people who want 80+h work weeks to begin with), all those who dedicated their entire personal life and their careers to adva…
> And if you can't find a real job, just look for another "minority" to "support" at all costs.
You're being downvoted but that's exactly why "modern" feminists call themselves "intersectional". They need to spread the "patriarchy" narrative in all social spheres. By "patriarchy" they off course means "white straight men" exclusively. Like being white straight and male makes you automatically rich, powerful, racist and a misogynist ...
Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
It means nothing. Hell, I am Mexican and if I wear a sombrero (which, literally just means hat, any hat), it just means either its really sunny outside and I don't have a cap for some reason, its an old-fashioned town party or I just felt like wearing a hat. A sombrero is not a yamaka, it has no religious or deeply symbolic meaning beyond that of a baseball cap or a pair of overalls. Nobody needs to have a party with…
Did I say anything about banning anything? I am not advocating banning or not banning anything. I just don't get why wearing sombreros is in any way amusing or interesting or funny. It does seem somewhat unnecessary. The context of why people typically used to wear sombreros is because they used to think looking like a Mexican ( or a crude caricature of a Mexican ) was funny.
Sorry, didn't meant you were trying to get it banned, just that unless there is something to the story that I am missing (and there might be, the party might well have been much more racist than just wearing sombreros) the university reaction seems heavy-handed.
I guess your point depends on what sort of caricature and whether Mexicans at the party are more likely to feel insulted or amused... also whether people think the caricature reflects the truth or not. And whether Mexicans and Mexican-Americans feel they are in on the joke or that the joke is done at their expense. But the mere fact that it involves sombreros, or even that sombreros are considered exaggerated and funny, doesn't necessarily make the party a categorical mockery.
For example, if we (in Mexico) dress like this for a football match: http://bit.ly/1X1qkWc
Are we making fun of this: http://bit.ly/1TgiqtO ?
I am not going to say a sombrero party cannot be a mockery, but I wonder if it often is. Am I stereotyping myself every time I ask people over for a tequila party?
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#79I'm curious to know what other HN readers think about this topic. I was born and raised on the left side of the spectrum, and continue to be so. I can empathize with my fellow millenial's struggle to push for a true egalitarian and respectful culture in the name of liberalism. I'm torn though. I see some of these actions moving the left to eventually begin embracing seemingly-fascist policies and aesthetics. What cou…
"I see the role of government as necessary, especially in a free market system." So it's not especially necessary in a command economy?
I don't know if you're being facetious, but I meant my comment relative to anti-government ideologies.
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#80Without passing judgment on whether both are right or wrong, how is this any different from a "Chinese people"-themed party featuring slanty eye costumes? I have a feeling HN commenters (and most Americans) would view that much less charitably. I'm genuinely curious: why?
For one thing it wasn't a Mexican people party, it was a equals party. Sombrero are very much identified with tequila. shoot half the tequila bottles have somber orbs on them.