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Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros

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Post by Umn44 » Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 5:33 AM UTC

_nedR wrote: post #43

nefitty wrote: post #3

I'm curious to know what other HN readers think about this topic. I was born and raised on the left side of the spectrum, and continue to be so. I can empathize with my fellow millenial's struggle to push for a true egalitarian and respectful culture in the name of liberalism. I'm torn though. I see some of these actions moving the left to eventually begin embracing seemingly-fascist policies and aesthetics. What cou…

As an outsider, It doeesn't look to me like a left vs right issue. >We, the left, strive for social liberalism, civil equality, freedom of speech, This seems to hint at the problem. You (the left) conflate freedom and equality, as though they are similar goals that can be achieved through similar means. But often these goals conflict with each other; Trying to achieve one often works against the other. Since we need…

>This seems to hint at the problem. You (the left) conflate freedom and equality

Actually it's because most people are ignorant. AKA we can be manipulated to believe things against our interest. Science on reasoning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

"Intended as an internal document. Good reading to understand the nature of rich democracies and the fact that the common people are not allowed to play a role."

Crisis of democracy

http://trilateral.org/download/doc/crisis_of_democracy.pdf

http://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Democracy-Governability-Democra...

Democracy Inc.

http://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Incorporated-Managed-Inverte...

Testing theories of representative government

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/fi...

Overthrowing other peoples governments

http://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-people...

Protectionism for the rich and big business by state intervention, radical market interference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHj2GaPuEhY#t=349

Energy subsidies

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2015/NEW07021...

Intereference in other states when the rich/corporations dont get their way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxp_wgFWQo&feature=youtu.be...

Manufacturing consent (book)

http://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Econom...

Manufacturing consent(vids):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwU56Rv0OXM

https://vimeo.com/39566117

Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros

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Post by douche » Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 5:37 AM UTC

This reminds me of an incident where a fraternity and a sorority at my alma mater were crucified for holding a Cinco de Mayo party, named Phiesta, when the organizations had the letter phi in their names.

Idiocy.

Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros

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Post by cgriswald » Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 5:41 AM UTC

fweespeech wrote: post #44

free_speech wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, why don't you first try a party where everybody shows up like an inbred redneck with some missing teeth and no Tshirt? Or a bunch of Polo wearing blond guys walking like they have ants up their ass? Try that and then come back to report.

> Well, why don't you first try a party where everybody shows up like an inbred redneck with some missing teeth and no Tshirt? Or a bunch of Polo wearing blond guys walking like they have ants up their ass? Try that and then come back to report. 1) I've done the first one. 2) Ants up their ass sounds unpleasent, so no ty. 3) The administration sanctions Russian stereotypes by not Mexican ones. That is the hypocrisy I…

Those who would argue with you would simply describe racial group X as privileged and racial group Y as oppressed and in need of protection, thereby "justifying" the hypocrisy.

Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros

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Post by eru » Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 5:42 AM UTC

morgante wrote: post #17

pmiller2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno. I found the Stalin angle to be far more offensive than anything else. Imagine if they did a similar thing where people dressed up like SS officers and one was designated Hitler?

Nothing would happen. Jews are "privileged" and therefore not protected by the safe space movement. (If you don't believe this, pay attention to pro-Palestine protests on college campuses.)

Compare https://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/2tm522/a_ch...

Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros

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Post by pmiller2 » Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 5:48 AM UTC

moistgorilla wrote: post #46

pmiller2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno. I found the Stalin angle to be far more offensive than anything else. Imagine if they did a similar thing where people dressed up like SS officers and one was designated Hitler?

We've gotten to the point where your history and the oppression your people faced isn't important anymore. What matters is the color of your skin, if your skin tone is darker you receive more institutional oppression. Look at how the black community has turned on Zoe Saldana, who put on makeup and prosthetics to more accurately represent a black historical figure and was torn to shreds because she has internalized ra…

I don't think that whole controversy is about what you think it is. Consider the number of google hits on this search: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&q=robert+downey+jr+... (about 9130) to this one: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&btnG=Search&q=zoe+s... (over 2.1 million)

Why is it worse for a light skinned woman to play a darker-skinned woman than for a white man to play a black man?

Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros

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Post by moistgorilla » Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 5:52 AM UTC

pmiller2 wrote: post #65

moistgorilla wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've gotten to the point where your history and the oppression your people faced isn't important anymore. What matters is the color of your skin, if your skin tone is darker you receive more institutional oppression. Look at how the black community has turned on Zoe Saldana, who put on makeup and prosthetics to more accurately represent a black historical figure and was torn to shreds because she has internalized ra…

I don't think that whole controversy is about what you think it is. Consider the number of google hits on this search: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&q=robert+downey+jr+... (about 9130) to this one: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&btnG=Search&q=zoe+s... (over 2.1 million) Why is it worse for a light skinned woman to play a darker-skinned woman than for a white man to play a black man?

I read the article and I don't think I got anything wrong, also I think you meant to say "Why is it worse for a white man to play a black man for a light skinned woman to play a darker-skinned woman than?"

And it's worse because of the history of black face and why it was used

Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros

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Post by merdreubu » Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 5:55 AM UTC

nefitty wrote: post #3

I'm curious to know what other HN readers think about this topic. I was born and raised on the left side of the spectrum, and continue to be so. I can empathize with my fellow millenial's struggle to push for a true egalitarian and respectful culture in the name of liberalism. I'm torn though. I see some of these actions moving the left to eventually begin embracing seemingly-fascist policies and aesthetics. What cou…

I'm not surprised at all. In my book, the leftists and the nazis are basically the same considering what they actually stand for, their historical record and differ only by their stance on nationalism. I also have the "privilege" of being born when my country was ruled by a communist dictatorship, growing up experiencing the results of leftist policies, listening to countless accounts from my family members of the days when the left came to power post WWII. For me all this is deja vu: a new form of wooden language [1] rising up (microaggresions, triggers, intersectionality etc), discrimination based on circumstances of birth, policing of the language, behavior and beliefs of people, including trying to police how people behave and speak in private - any former communist secret police would be proud, people's tribunals like witch hunts etc. You hear about history repeating itself, but to actually experience it is kind of sad. But what do I know, I'm a brainless pessimistic libertarian kook...

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wooden_language

Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros

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Post by pmiller2 » Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 6:03 AM UTC

moistgorilla wrote: post #66

pmiller2 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that whole controversy is about what you think it is. Consider the number of google hits on this search: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&q=robert+downey+jr+... (about 9130) to this one: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&btnG=Search&q=zoe+s... (over 2.1 million) Why is it worse for a light skinned woman to play a darker-skinned woman than for a white man to play a black man?

I read the article and I don't think I got anything wrong, also I think you meant to say "Why is it worse for a white man to play a black man for a light skinned woman to play a darker-skinned woman than?" And it's worse because of the history of black face and why it was used

No, I really meant what I said. I know why it's worse for a white man to play a black man, but the internet apparently does not. Tropic of Thunder came out in 2008. 9130 hits? That's nothing. Why are there 2+ million pages about the Nina Simone movie? Have I inadvertently stacked the deck with my search terms?

Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros

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Post by School-Cotton » Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 6:21 AM UTC

Without passing judgment on whether both are right or wrong, how is this any different from a "Chinese people"-themed party featuring slanty eye costumes? I have a feeling HN commenters (and most Americans) would view that much less charitably. I'm genuinely curious: why?

Re: Political Correctness Devours yet Another College, Fighting Over Mini-Sombreros

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Post by leereeves » Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 6:23 AM UTC

pmiller2 wrote: post #65

moistgorilla wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've gotten to the point where your history and the oppression your people faced isn't important anymore. What matters is the color of your skin, if your skin tone is darker you receive more institutional oppression. Look at how the black community has turned on Zoe Saldana, who put on makeup and prosthetics to more accurately represent a black historical figure and was torn to shreds because she has internalized ra…

I don't think that whole controversy is about what you think it is. Consider the number of google hits on this search: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&q=robert+downey+jr+... (about 9130) to this one: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&btnG=Search&q=zoe+s... (over 2.1 million) Why is it worse for a light skinned woman to play a darker-skinned woman than for a white man to play a black man?

RDJ wasn't playing a black man. He was playing a white character who was wearing blackface, and Tropic Thunder was actually agreeing that that's wrong.

Tropic Thunder got away with blackface for the same reason Saturday Night Live gets away with offensive jokes. It's satire, and they're mocking the offensive acts.