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What does it feel like to be fired from Facebook?

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Re: What does it feel like to be fired from Facebook?

#41

> For instance, on harassment: telling a coworker of either gender that you like their clothes can be reported as harassment What a terrible society we're developing for ourselves.

Generally when there's a termination it's because there's a pattern, not a one-off thing. Edit: People who get fired want to believe that they did one "stupid" thing and it was "unfair" they were fired. Hiring a new person and training them up isn't exactly cheap, easy or straightforward. I realise there are exceptions but logic would tend to suggest that in most cases businesses don't fire people for one-off mistake…

Generally when there's a termination it's because there's a pattern, not a one-off thing.

Every system will contain components that can be reductivly described to sound on-the-face silly (like complimenting someone's clothing getting reported as harassment). The soundness of such a system relies on how closely tied the correction for that silliness is the expression of the silliness.

For example, there was a post on reddit recently about a proposed anti-bestiality law that would outlaw animal husbandry. Of course the easy hand-wave acceptance of this is that cops and prosecutors would exercise their discretion in such a way that this wouldn't be a problem for farmers.

But that's still a broken system. And should be mitigated if not fixed as closely to the source of the problem as possible. It's hard to see how the animial husbandry example could backfire, but imagine it's the CFAA which is more murky and politically charged. Or there were a zero-tolerance policy in place.

Additionally, having clothing compliments in the class of things reported raises suspicion on an otherwise innocuous action. Basically EVERYTHING that happens at an office can be done in a way to harass someone, but treating one subset with more scrutiny like this raises the baseline apprehension around that activity.

Re: What does it feel like to be fired from Facebook?

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post #19

I would be interested in what constitutes as "jaywalking" in a software company. Something everyone does but can be grounds to termination? Can anyone tell me about specific cases?

The first thing that came to mind was something like deploying something without going through the proper process or modifying something directly in production.

(It probably isn't either of those things since I'm sure their tooling prevents that sort of thing)

Re: What does it feel like to be fired from Facebook?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To one extreme, this could be a case of "an unsolicited pat on the rear" being perceived by the offender as "a high five" and to the offended "a disturbing invasion or personal space." On other extreme it could be he "chucked a tennis ball and it broke an office window." Everyone's perception these days of the extent/effect of any offense seems to broad that without details... what's the point of articles like these?

How does a high five morph into a pat on the rear? Even if my co-worker was about 10 feet tall that's still terrible hand eye coordination.

LOL! My comment is more on the perception disconnect that can take place. When I was a teenager I didn't yet have the experiences (being told what is or isn't appropriate and why) to know what was not ok like that.

Re: What does it feel like to be fired from Facebook?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally when there's a termination it's because there's a pattern, not a one-off thing. Edit: People who get fired want to believe that they did one "stupid" thing and it was "unfair" they were fired. Hiring a new person and training them up isn't exactly cheap, easy or straightforward. I realise there are exceptions but logic would tend to suggest that in most cases businesses don't fire people for one-off mistake…

did you read the linked Quora post? it pretty explicitly details that Facebook has a whole list of zero-tolerance "violations" that they will fire you for doing even once, without warning.

It claims Facebook has a bunch of zero-tolerance violations, but in the same sentence it states that commenting on clothes might be reported (which is very different from a zero-tolerance policy, and quite possibly intended to indicate that "loving the slutty tank top" still counts as sexual harassment even if it doesn't involve touching).

Meanwhile, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11224057 claims they have only one zero-tolerance policy, accessing user data. It seems at least as credible as an anonymous Quora post.

Re: What does it feel like to be fired from Facebook?

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This post is just a person's account of something they have experienced. Why is everyone so bent on getting them to identify the issue or saying it might be other reasons they got fired etc. Take it for what it is, just like any other story, article or blog post on the Internet. It might just be method to vent or something fictional. I still don't think it's a valid reason to start making accusations about what might or might not have happened

Re: What does it feel like to be fired from Facebook?

#46

> For instance, on harassment: telling a coworker of either gender that you like their clothes can be reported as harassment What a terrible society we're developing for ourselves.

That seems like a deep (but possibly unintentional) misunderstanding. There are, of course, situations where you find someone who doesn't work with you nor are you friends with, and repeatedly tell them that you like their clothes, and they clearly aren't taking it as a compliment, and you persist, and that is unequivocally harassment. Technically, that consists of "telling a coworker that you like their clothes", but that's not what makes it harassment.

Of course, someone who didn't have a solid grasp of what harassment is (or worse, wanted to convince themselves that their harassment didn't count) would portray it that way.

Consider the following paragraph:

"Facebook has 0 tolerance policy on many fronts. For instance, on security: using an account you're not authorized to use can be reported as a security incident, said the training video. And so, a lot of security auditing which, paradoxically, is strongly encouraged among employees, is a terminable offense."

Re: What does it feel like to be fired from Facebook?

#47
Hopefully this reminds people, especially if you are working in your first job at some all encompassing place like amazon, google, facebook, whatever, that they don't love you. Maybe they give you food, a phone, a ride to work, but you have to have your own life outside work. Keep your resume up to date. Even awesome google is not a place that everyone stays at forever.

Re: What does it feel like to be fired from Facebook?

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post #26
post #19

I would be interested in what constitutes as "jaywalking" in a software company. Something everyone does but can be grounds to termination? Can anyone tell me about specific cases?

maybe login in with somebody else's credentials? or some other security-related or procedural stuff that he bypassed to make things easier? using non-authorized (personal) equipment or software? just speculating

Yeah, bypassing procedure was my thought. This sentence says a lot:

> If a week prior, I had typed a few different keystrokes, I would never have been in that room.

So I doubt it was something like "Looked at a users private information"

Re: What does it feel like to be fired from Facebook?

#50
"Every morning, I'd get up, hop in the shuttle, and that's when my day began. Getting breakfast, seeing all my friends"

Confusing friends and colleagues, possibly having no life outside of work.

"She's never at her desk, and she routinely cancelled our regular 1:1 meetings because she has no other choice"

Stockholm syndrome

"My boss's voice was devoid of emotion, even though we had gone through a lot together (at least from my point of view)."

The first step is seeing you are delusional...

Am I alone thinking that for this person getting fired is extremely positive and the opportunity to start anew with a healthier work/life balance?

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