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Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by nilkn » Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 10:40 PM UTC

KingMob wrote: post #92

baddox wrote: post #57

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I'm not dyslexic, but the bigger problem I see with this demonstration is that I actually still found it fairly easy to read. There's actually not that much ambiguity for most rearranged words when they're in the context of grammatical sentences. I'm sure that real dyslexia is a much more difficult challenge than this demonstration.

The creator is taking advantage of the fact that most of us read words semi-holistically (if not, it's a hell of a coincidence). Research has demonstrated that as long as the first and last letter remain unchanged, we can read passably well. (Though "bookmarklet" took me some time to decipher.) Difficulty does varies from anagram to anagram, however. I guess the idea is to mimic the increased cognitive load of dyslex…

This is a bit of a myth, but it also has some truth to it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typoglycemia

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by mgrennan » Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 10:41 PM UTC

ntumlin wrote: post #39

krschultz wrote: post #4

Shameless plug: if you know anyone with Dyslexia or other learn & attention issues, send them to https://www.understood.org . It's a non-profit with many free resources for people trying to overcome these challenges.

My father has trouble reading despite being really smart otherwise, and unfortunately it's gotten him to think he's not smart. I'd love to show this to him, but my only concern is that everything is geared towards parents to help their children, and I don't want to demean him with that. are there any similar resources geared towards adults?

I've been told, and I've observed it myself, that about 60+% of dyslexics are males with IQs above 120. Having dyslexia lead to being labeled as retarded. It was because of my interests in model rocketry and teaching myself Calc and Trig and my parents not excepting the schools label I did better.

A lot of the students I schooled with in special Ed ended up in jobs or in jail. I'm a database administrator for a weather company.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by lugg » Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 10:45 PM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #69

adam12 wrote: post #45

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Thanks for your comment. I have suspected that I have dyslexia for years, but now I am almost certain that I do. Interesting article: http://www.iflscience.com/brain/font-simulates-dyslexia-make... “For most people with dyslexia, the letters and numbers do not jump around on the page and the colours remain the same,” Britton said. “It is simply a breakdown in communication between the eye and the brain. You can see t…

Yes, it's a subconscious affliction. Reading is slower and more taxing because your conscious brain has to be more involved. For me the biggest challenge was b and d and p and q. When I was young, I would have to stop and consciously think about which letter was in front of me, when most kids around me immediately knew the right letter without any conscious thought. The closest thing I've experienced to dyslexia is l…

I'm not sure of what specific letters caused me issue while reading when I was young. I think it was (and is) more of a general sense, I read pretty damn slow.

What I had huge problems with was writing the letters g, d, y, and u. u's became y's, and d's became g's. This was mostly what I'd call a run on effect, the motion just continues and there is no stop early exit point. It may also be because my I tend to write entire words in one fluid go, instead of letter by letter.

I was diagnosed dyslexic but I'm not really sure I had it after reading all these crazy descriptions of it.

All I do know is getting on a computer changed my life. Typing is 100% different from hand writing for some reason. I guess its because each letter is its own distinct memory reflex/pathway where g,d,y, and u all share a similar motion.

I've recently started doing a lot more writing by hand and its quite a strange experience. I've come to the realisation I have multiple hand writing styles and levels of neatness.

Doing all caps writing usually ends up badly (I'll revert certain characters back to lower case automatically)

Writing super slow I end up with relatively neat / legible writing with very little errors.

Writing as fast as possible is my favorite, I can read it but its almost glyphic squiggles to anyone else. Just reading a couple of my last sentences in my diary, y becomes w with the y's tail, l sometimes become t's, f's are pretty good (I use the s looking math version for function so it doesnt become a t, d can be a g, a really large lower cas a, k looks like well not a k?) N is almost always an M. Bizzare.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by mgrennan » Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 10:47 PM UTC

SandersAK wrote: post #43

Pretty interesting stuff. What was strange for me is that I had no problem reading 90% of that at the same pace as I usually read except for word I have never seen before. I tend to speed read contextually skipping over words entirely. Maybe a bad thing now that i think of it...

That's interesting. I once ask a friend who speed reads to read his book to me. He said no because if he did he wouldn't be able to understand it himself. He said he read in ideas or pictures. He explained speed reading was like watching a movie. If he would have to explain what he was seeing or read every word and that was more work then he could do and follow along.

It was at this point I understood how different people read differently.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by mgrennan » Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 10:50 PM UTC

horsecaptin wrote: post #80

I wonder if people with dyslexia can read things rendered with the dyslexia app like normal people can read normal text. That would be a trip!

For me it depends on how it is done. If the application just displaces the same letters. No, it's still hard to read. If the app substitues letters that look alike (dpqb) then I can read it just fine.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by oib » Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 10:57 PM UTC

deelowe wrote: post #106

dbbolton wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am dyslexic, and just for some background info I have uncorrected 20/20 vision but my symptoms are exacerbated by comorbid ADHD. I'm sure everyone experiences it differently, but the image on the left is a pretty close approximation of what I often see when trying to read from a page: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Dyslexic... Say I was reading the line "...as well as other perceptual tasks." I…

uhh... I'm sitting here wondering if I'm mildly dyslexic. I often swap letters around when typing, read words that aren't there, leave words out, etc... I've always had this problem and just assumed I didn't proof-read well enough. Is there a test for mild dyslexia? How would one know for sure? Should I care? I doesn't bother me much other than people thinking I have terrible grammar and reading comprehension skills.

I had myself be tested by a psychologist when I was around 8 I think, and again when I was 20.

Should you care?

I'm not sure, you can look into tools that are recommended for dyslexic people (a spellings corrector is probably the single biggest thing), but you can try those without actually knowing if you are...

If you are a student then your school may provide special facilities for you. Other then that I can't think of a reason to care, besides satisfying a curiosity.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by kevinSuttle » Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 10:57 PM UTC

oib wrote: post #26

Ugh, as someone with dyslexia, it's nothing visual, so trying to visualize being dyslexic is an exercise in futility. You know those "drunk" googles that distort your view? They certainly make it harder to walk, but they in no way make you feel drunk... Try explaining someone what it feels like being on LSD... you can't. Telling people that letters jump around is an easy way to dismiss people whit out having to do a…

As a person who doesn't have to suffer with this condition, I found it immediately valuable. Empathy is best practiced through experience, and I learned what that felt like. So, @geon, thank you.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by Your_Creator » Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 10:57 PM UTC

oib wrote: post #26

Ugh, as someone with dyslexia, it's nothing visual, so trying to visualize being dyslexic is an exercise in futility. You know those "drunk" googles that distort your view? They certainly make it harder to walk, but they in no way make you feel drunk... Try explaining someone what it feels like being on LSD... you can't. Telling people that letters jump around is an easy way to dismiss people whit out having to do a…

There are many people who are simply unaware of the visual elements in a given situation because it's usually handled by the brain at an unconscious level - similar to speech.

It seems to me like you have a heavy feeling-based response to what I must resort to calling 'dyslexic visual input'.

You may want to include some auditory input, by associating the correct sounds with the letters to help you sort through it and perhaps just brush aside any unpleasant feelings that may arise. it gets easier with practice.

A problem with studies like this is that you may learn something of what it's like to be dyslexic, but probably that's all you're gonna get out of it. perhaps there are a few super geniuses out there who will see what it's like to have it and come up with some new way of dealing with it.

A better approach, especially for someone who has struggled with it, is to find people who have overcome many, most or even all of the difficulties associated with this neurological condition and see if you can mimic what they did.

Maybe even put an ad in the paper or online and find out if you can get people to call you and very carefully unpack their experience of having it and what they have done to overcome it. What you want here is a set of instructions that you can follow, and I'd start with the things that are common to the majority of the people you speak with, so be ready to take notes or record it.

Recent studies have revealed that the brain is remarkably adept at rewiring itself, especially if you feed it the right materials to work with. I mean that both literally and figuratively, so a diet rich in omega 3s and 6s as well as any minerals or other chemicals that are precursors to neurotransmitters such as DMAE, Magnesium and so forth.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by oib » Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 11:05 PM UTC

lugg wrote: post #123

nostromo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's a subconscious affliction. Reading is slower and more taxing because your conscious brain has to be more involved. For me the biggest challenge was b and d and p and q. When I was young, I would have to stop and consciously think about which letter was in front of me, when most kids around me immediately knew the right letter without any conscious thought. The closest thing I've experienced to dyslexia is l…

I'm not sure of what specific letters caused me issue while reading when I was young. I think it was (and is) more of a general sense, I read pretty damn slow. What I had huge problems with was writing the letters g, d, y, and u. u's became y's, and d's became g's. This was mostly what I'd call a run on effect, the motion just continues and there is no stop early exit point. It may also be because my I tend to write…

I have this as well.

I am handwriting a word and instead of writing a p I write a b. I trend to immateriality notice this mistake, sometimes even when I'm still in the process of writing the wrong letter. And this does not happen when typing.

However this is considered dysgrafie, not dyslexia. That said, it's the brain that has defects, and it's probably more or less all connected and related to each other.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by ssharp » Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 11:06 PM UTC

deelowe wrote: post #106

dbbolton wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am dyslexic, and just for some background info I have uncorrected 20/20 vision but my symptoms are exacerbated by comorbid ADHD. I'm sure everyone experiences it differently, but the image on the left is a pretty close approximation of what I often see when trying to read from a page: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Dyslexic... Say I was reading the line "...as well as other perceptual tasks." I…

uhh... I'm sitting here wondering if I'm mildly dyslexic. I often swap letters around when typing, read words that aren't there, leave words out, etc... I've always had this problem and just assumed I didn't proof-read well enough. Is there a test for mild dyslexia? How would one know for sure? Should I care? I doesn't bother me much other than people thinking I have terrible grammar and reading comprehension skills.

I do many of these things as well. I've always been curious if it's some mild form of dyslexia or ADHD. It bothers me but I don't think it's been an obstacle.