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Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by krschultz »

ntumlin wrote: post #39
krschultz wrote: post #4

Shameless plug: if you know anyone with Dyslexia or other learn & attention issues, send them to https://www.understood.org . It's a non-profit with many free resources for people trying to overcome these challenges.

My father has trouble reading despite being really smart otherwise, and unfortunately it's gotten him to think he's not smart. I'd love to show this to him, but my only concern is that everything is geared towards parents to help their children, and I don't want to demean him with that. are there any similar resources geared towards adults?

Try the International Dyslexia Association, they have branches all over: http://eida.org/ida-branches/

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by JoshTriplett »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #29

This reminds me of the meme that went around a few years ago (dear god, 2003!?), claiming that Cambridge researchers showed that you had no trouble reading scrambled word text: "Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed…

This actually seems like a problem with the implementation linked here: it seems to avoid scrambling the beginning or end of the word, and as a result you can mostly read the text without too much difficulty. To more accurately convey the problems faced by someone with dyslexia, the words should be scrambled in a way that doesn't leave them easy to make out.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by tekromancr »

matthewcford wrote: post #11

Having dyslexia, I would say this is rather extreme, I can't speak for everyone but reading isn't like this for most dyslexics. Usually it is a pair of letters being swapped, or numbers order reversed. They don't jump around/change randomly, you just misread it. http://dyslexia.learninginfo.org/symptoms.htm The new font for dyslexics also goes into this some more: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-font-he…

I feel like if you wanted to properly simulate dyslexia, you would need really precise eye tracking, and make changes to the words while you are not looking at them. Then, if you glance back at the word, it is corrected.

I don't have dyslexia (at least not seriously enough that I have ever thought about it) so I was wondering if such a thing would be more accurate to your experiences.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by JoshTriplett »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #35
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #29

This reminds me of the meme that went around a few years ago (dear god, 2003!?), claiming that Cambridge researchers showed that you had no trouble reading scrambled word text: "Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed…

I think it works best with words you recognize, I'm reading this article and I can't figure out the words I don't recognize, it also is a bit slower to read when all the letters are jumping around every other second. If that sentence had any words I had never seen or heard of before I probably couldn't tell you what the word is supposed to be.

> I think it works best with words you recognize, I'm reading this article and I can't figure out the words I don't recognize

"typoglycemia", for instance?

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by slg »

thenipper wrote: post #40
lettergram wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a genetic condition which makes my corpus callosum (the part of the brain that connects the two halves) small(er). This leads (as described by my doctor) both halves processing data and then having trouble syncing. I don't really know if that's true or not. However, it runs in my family (we have taken genetics tests) and it turns out that's why we are neither right or left handed, and we all have various issue…

I have a similar thing. When i did the battery of SPED tests in elementary school they mentioned something about the two halves not communicating as well. What you talk about not remembering names really strikes a chord with me. Interesting to know what its called. Not that i'm sure I have the same thing but definitely seems similar.

If I ever found the time, it might be interesting to revisit some of those tests as an adult. I haven't really spoken to a professional expert about my Dyslexia since I was diagnosed at 8. I doubt I could really articulate what I was experiencing at the time and nearly everything that was mentioned to me has long been forgotten. I'm sure going through the same process as an adult would offer some interesting insight.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by baddox »

oib wrote: post #26

Ugh, as someone with dyslexia, it's nothing visual, so trying to visualize being dyslexic is an exercise in futility. You know those "drunk" googles that distort your view? They certainly make it harder to walk, but they in no way make you feel drunk... Try explaining someone what it feels like being on LSD... you can't. Telling people that letters jump around is an easy way to dismiss people whit out having to do a…

I'm not dyslexic, but the bigger problem I see with this demonstration is that I actually still found it fairly easy to read. There's actually not that much ambiguity for most rearranged words when they're in the context of grammatical sentences. I'm sure that real dyslexia is a much more difficult challenge than this demonstration.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by amadeusw »

Arzh wrote: post #32
oib wrote: post #26

Ugh, as someone with dyslexia, it's nothing visual, so trying to visualize being dyslexic is an exercise in futility. You know those "drunk" googles that distort your view? They certainly make it harder to walk, but they in no way make you feel drunk... Try explaining someone what it feels like being on LSD... you can't. Telling people that letters jump around is an easy way to dismiss people whit out having to do a…

As someone also with dyslexia, I thought it was pretty good. Yes it is not that extreme but that is the point of the piece I think.

Exactly. I think most of us see this project as a hyperbole. Dyslexia does not make you literally see scrambled letters, but make it similarly difficult to read. I found the long and uncommon ones like "phonetical" especially difficult.

To people with dyslexia: are shorter and more common words easier to comprehend, just like in this piece?

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by geon »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #52
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #29

This reminds me of the meme that went around a few years ago (dear god, 2003!?), claiming that Cambridge researchers showed that you had no trouble reading scrambled word text: "Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed…

This actually seems like a problem with the implementation linked here: it seems to avoid scrambling the beginning or end of the word, and as a result you can mostly read the text without too much difficulty. To more accurately convey the problems faced by someone with dyslexia, the words should be scrambled in a way that doesn't leave them easy to make out.

That is entirely intentional. It is still possible to read. At least short wods, and the longer ones you recognize, and can infer from context. The jumping text is mostly distracting.

Re: Dsxyliea

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Post by eterm »

baddox wrote: post #57
oib wrote: post #26

Ugh, as someone with dyslexia, it's nothing visual, so trying to visualize being dyslexic is an exercise in futility. You know those "drunk" googles that distort your view? They certainly make it harder to walk, but they in no way make you feel drunk... Try explaining someone what it feels like being on LSD... you can't. Telling people that letters jump around is an easy way to dismiss people whit out having to do a…

I'm not dyslexic, but the bigger problem I see with this demonstration is that I actually still found it fairly easy to read. There's actually not that much ambiguity for most rearranged words when they're in the context of grammatical sentences. I'm sure that real dyslexia is a much more difficult challenge than this demonstration.

Especially when the first and last letters aren't changing as in this example.
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