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Re: Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

paganel wrote: post #26
ahoy wrote: post #15

This is fairly consistent with other studies. The "77%" number is arrived at by comparing the median wage of full-time male & female employees. It doesn't account for differences in industry, job title, experience, etc. It's super broad. That doesn't mean we should ignore it, but it means we need more granularity. Coming out of uni/grad school, male and female salaries are equal in comparable fields. They depart a fe…

> We need to upend the idea that family care is solely the domain of women (normalizing parental leave for fathers with newborns is a good Don't have a kid, but I would think that an infant is better off having his mother close to him in his early months of life compared to having his father, for the simple biological reason that the mother can breast-feed, while a father can't. From what I remember reading kids who…

>for the simple biological reason that the mother can breast-feed, while a father can't.

While the father normally is unable to do so without effort like a woman is, they do have all the equipment and their are ways to get it functioning. Somehow I don't think people would be for that option.

Re: Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries

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Post by untog »

paganel wrote: post #26
ahoy wrote: post #15

This is fairly consistent with other studies. The "77%" number is arrived at by comparing the median wage of full-time male & female employees. It doesn't account for differences in industry, job title, experience, etc. It's super broad. That doesn't mean we should ignore it, but it means we need more granularity. Coming out of uni/grad school, male and female salaries are equal in comparable fields. They depart a fe…

> We need to upend the idea that family care is solely the domain of women (normalizing parental leave for fathers with newborns is a good Don't have a kid, but I would think that an infant is better off having his mother close to him in his early months of life compared to having his father, for the simple biological reason that the mother can breast-feed, while a father can't. From what I remember reading kids who…

From what I remember reading kids who are breast-fed tend to do better in life in terms of health or being better from a psylogical point of view.

The former (health) is absolutely true, but it's nothing that couldn't also be solved by the mother pumping her breast milk and the father doing the actual feeding by bottle.

"bottle vs breast" is about the actual milk being fed, not the delivery method.

Re: Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries

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Post by tehwalrus »

WalterSear wrote: post #23
api_or_ipa wrote: post #21

What is interesting is the breakdown of motivations between men and women. It seems readily apparent that women on the whole prefer flexible work arrangements because of child raising obligations. This is exactly the same argument lobbed across the wage gap discussion for years now. Proponents of the wage-gap point that women have an unfair obligation to child-raising duties, which puts them at a disadvantage when co…

I'd be amazed if there wasn't a correlation between time in the office and productivity. There may be very good reasons for the disparity in pay.

There is; a negative correlation. Humans are much, much less efficient when tired/overworked.

Re: Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

untog wrote: post #28
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If. That may be happening, if those doing the promoting are biased. (Which means, in some places, it probably is happening that way.) Systematically, though? Industry-wide? Is this really happening?

> Systematically, though? Industry-wide? Is this really happening? Probably? The issue as best I see it is that there isn't any one cause here. So when you look at the roster of Silicon Valley CEOs and see row after row of white, male faces you could say that it's because tech is racist/sexist and prevents women/people of color from ascending to management positions in companies. Then someone might counter and say, n…

>The issue as best I see it is that there isn't any one cause here. So when you look at the roster of Silicon Valley CEOs and see row after row of white, male faces you could say that it's because tech is racist/sexist and prevents women/people of color from ascending to management positions in companies.

Or it could be that CEOs are likely to result from certain factors that were only open to white men historically, but whose factors have been fixed. Even if we waved a magic wand and fixed every discrimination problem ever tonight, tomorrow you'll still see the effects of past discrimination that would have to work their way out of society. So the question would then be, do we engage in further discrimination to try to counter act the effects of past discrimination?

Re: Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries

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Post by RodericDay »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #29
ahoy wrote: post #15

This is fairly consistent with other studies. The "77%" number is arrived at by comparing the median wage of full-time male & female employees. It doesn't account for differences in industry, job title, experience, etc. It's super broad. That doesn't mean we should ignore it, but it means we need more granularity. Coming out of uni/grad school, male and female salaries are equal in comparable fields. They depart a fe…

>It doesn't account for differences in industry, job title, experience, etc. It's super broad. It also doesn't account for full time covering a wide number of hours worked. Full time can be 37 hours a week or 45 hours a week, can comparing them as both just being 'full time' misses quite a lot. >This is in large part because care for family members(children and elderly parents usually) is more often foisted upon wome…

Elsewhere, on a different topic, you posted something along the same lines:

> Which gender gets killed most often at work because of a social pressure that your value is determined by having a job, so if the only job options are dangerous, you best take one anyways?

Do you like gender roles or not? You've already posted like 5 times in this thread, and I'm not sure if your perspective is "let's do away with gender roles" or "gender roles are there for a reason, and it benefits women".

Re: Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries

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Post by ktRolster »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #31
paganel wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need to upend the idea that family care is solely the domain of women (normalizing parental leave for fathers with newborns is a good Don't have a kid, but I would think that an infant is better off having his mother close to him in his early months of life compared to having his father, for the simple biological reason that the mother can breast-feed, while a father can't. From what I remember reading kids who…

>for the simple biological reason that the mother can breast-feed, while a father can't. While the father normally is unable to do so without effort like a woman is, they do have all the equipment and their are ways to get it functioning. Somehow I don't think people would be for that option.

For a reference to that strange fact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation

Re: Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries

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Post by marssaxman »

api_or_ipa wrote: post #21

What is interesting is the breakdown of motivations between men and women. It seems readily apparent that women on the whole prefer flexible work arrangements because of child raising obligations. This is exactly the same argument lobbed across the wage gap discussion for years now. Proponents of the wage-gap point that women have an unfair obligation to child-raising duties, which puts them at a disadvantage when co…

I would prefer flexible work arrangements for the very simple reason that there are lots of things I want to do with my life in addition to my job. Nobody ever offers this, somehow. It would be a better world if flexible work hours were a normal thing, not something you have to justify based on traditional gender roles.

I feel a little bitter when people go on about the importance of "negotiation" over job offers, because the thing I would want to negotiate for is never on the table. (And yes, I have tried.)

Re: Study Finds No Gender Gap in Tech Salaries

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Post by thekevan »

I wish I could find it but I saw a study that said when you take out hazzard pay for dangerous jobs and the jobs which experience the largest number of work related deaths, there was no pay gap by gender.

If anyone knows the study I am taking about, I'd love to take a closer look at it.

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