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Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

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I'm not sure they have any. Their marketing and communication tend to be pretty minimalist. I happen to like it that way. You can always get a free guest account to try it out. Or if you ask nicely enough, one of us who have accounts might be able to post a screenshot. ;)

Please do, I'm curious.

Here's my junk mail folder: http://i.imgur.com/2IwpW.png

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

#42

Related question, does anyone know of a mail webapp that allows you to have a unified inbox with multiple IMAP accounts? In other words, something like Thunderbird or Outlook Express but web-ified. I started doing a custom fork of RoundCube to do just this a few months back but never finished it...does anyone know of anything off-the-shelf that will do this?

Gmail supports this.. you just create each one as a google account, have them forward to the one you like best, and then set it up to let you send mail as each of the other accounts... I have about 50 google accounts and use my regular gmail this way...

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Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

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Fair enough for Iranian/Chinese users perhaps but I thought Hushmail was no longer secure - ever since they handed over user data in response to a subpoena.

There's nothing wrong with handing over data in response to a subpoena. They're legally required to do so. The problem is with providers who hand over data without a subpoena.

It is their ability to decrypt that scares me. Most of the users were under the impression that Hushmail did not save their keys.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

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Assuming you are ultimately comparing 'shared/managed' email hosting vs self-managed/self-hosted then Spam (well, filtering spam) is the biggest issue you have to resolve. Try turning off spam checking on any email address that's been around the net a few years. The upside of GMail (and other shared-services) is that you are benefiting from their collective wisdom of incoming spam landscape - they see the bigger pict…

...which is why their spam filters are so much more effective than bayesian filtering -- which is the only tool you have if you 'go it alone' on email

This is not true at all. Of the top of my head, I can think of three different distributed message hashing services (Razor, Pyzor, and DCC) that function similar to a shared Bayesian filter, not to mention all the various IP and URI blacklists that collect and share data about bad actors. I've actually done mail server installs where I've turned off the local bayes filters to improve results because they were getting confused by low volumes.

SpamAssassin comes with just about every Linux distribution and is used by major ISPs, so you're not "going it alone," you're leveraging what a huge percentage of the internet population is already using.

It's not without effort (maybe 15-30 minutes/week of tweaking when something slips through), but my personal email setup gives me as good or better results than my infrequently-used Gmail account.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

#45

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Google Apps Premium, unless you're Iranian/Chinese. Then use Hushmail etc

Is Google Apps premium guaranteed to actually protect you from the aforementioned privacy concerns? It's still on Google's servers.

The government can subpoena your own server in your own house just as easily as they can subpoena Google's servers.

So who are you hiding from? If it's the government, then you must use strong cryptography no matter where you host your email, and you must ensure that everyone you communicate with is as paranoid as you. (I would encrypt all my email, but nobody else I talk too will. So it doesn't work.) If it's advertisers you want to avoid, just run your own server and stop worrying so much. People have been doing it for years.

(Although, I run my own mailserver and am inundated with spam. Thousands of messages a day. So you aren't really avoiding advertisements, you are just avoiding advertisements for stuff you might actually want :)

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

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Interesting that the motivation seems to be privacy concerns. I could care less about privacy but I'm getting tired of gmail's underperformance (your results may vary). Gmail speed has become Intolerably slow over the past 6 months. I love everything else about it though and wish there was a paid alternative with the same Interface. And no it isn't premium. I had that and it was no better. I think I'm on a bad cluster or something and google support has been horrendous.

I love 90% of googles products so don't assume this is flame / bashing.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

#48

Run your own mailserver. If you don't trust Google with your data, there's nobody else I would trust. There are plenty of open-source webmail apps if that matters to you.

Any recommendations for open-source webmail?

postfix + squrrelmail

there's also this - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=open-source+webmail

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

#49

Run your own mailserver. If you don't trust Google with your data, there's nobody else I would trust. There are plenty of open-source webmail apps if that matters to you.

Any recommendations for open-source webmail?

http://squirrelmail.org/ is out there. Can't personally recommend, since I've used gmail exclusively since I got an invite, and desktop mail apps (plus hotmail) before that. My college used squirrelmail before they switched to http://www.horde.org/webmail/.
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