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Mosul dam engineers warn it could fail at any time, killing 1M people

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Re: Mosul dam engineers warn it could fail at any time, killing 1M people

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Iraq was altogether a different country when it was built, but infrastructure that can fail killing 1M people unless maintained 24/7 by a 300 person crew sounds like it has way too many failure scenario for comfort. AFAIK you can abandon the Hoover dam and it will still be there in 500 years. It looks like the Mosul dam engineers couldn't achieve remotely the same result given the soil it's built on, but there must h…

Perhaps you meant to say "couldn't achieve..."?

Indeed ;)

Re: Mosul dam engineers warn it could fail at any time, killing 1M people

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Iraq was altogether a different country when it was built, but infrastructure that can fail killing 1M people unless maintained 24/7 by a 300 person crew sounds like it has way too many failure scenario for comfort. AFAIK you can abandon the Hoover dam and it will still be there in 500 years. It looks like the Mosul dam engineers couldn't achieve remotely the same result given the soil it's built on, but there must h…

My understanding: Russian engineers warned Saddam it could not be built there, but he ordered it done anyway to partially cut off Kurdish rebel movement by creating a lake. See eg

https://web.archive.org/web/20140219214451/http://www.shafaa...

The whole thing is an utter clusterfuck. An American civil engineering prof is saying the sole possible solution is a cutoff wall that, by the way, has to not only be 800 ft below the embankment but is significantly deeper than any other such cutoff wall ever built. And it must be constructed in the middle of Iraq under a dam in serious danger of collapsing.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/02/03/will-italy-be-able-to-fi...

And finally another interesting article; the alternative to a cutoff wall is building a second $2B dam downstream. There's a good graphic half way down the article of the problems with the Mosul dam. Of course, that's not just $2B but at minimum several years away...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/02/mosul-dam-engin...

Re: Mosul dam engineers warn it could fail at any time, killing 1M people

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John Oliver did a pretty good piece on infrastructure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpzvaqypav8 No politician gets to cut a ribbon with a giant pair of scissors when they fund routine maintenance. So why bother.

The fix seems easy - do cut the ribbon in such cases.

Re: Mosul dam engineers warn it could fail at any time, killing 1M people

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"pressure on the dam’s compromised structure was building up rapidly as winter snows melted and more water flowed into the reservoir" Do they really have snow worth to speak of in Iraq?

The Mosul dam is on the Tigris river which originates in the Taurus mountains of Turkey. We had a fairly regular winter as far as snowfall goes, but the spring has arrived very early this year.

Re: Mosul dam engineers warn it could fail at any time, killing 1M people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that the sluice gates are seized. Obviously they should still drain it but it's not as simple as making the call.

How could they drain it?

I would imagine siphoning might be a simple enough process and could be setup in multiple places along the dam to avoid the asymmetric draining issues mentioned further in the discussion here on hacker news.

Re: Mosul dam engineers warn it could fail at any time, killing 1M people

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Iraq was altogether a different country when it was built, but infrastructure that can fail killing 1M people unless maintained 24/7 by a 300 person crew sounds like it has way too many failure scenario for comfort. AFAIK you can abandon the Hoover dam and it will still be there in 500 years. It looks like the Mosul dam engineers couldn't achieve remotely the same result given the soil it's built on, but there must h…

Also Iraqi engineers often had to be creative for a lot of Saddam's rule because of sanctions. I say that to add to the "oh shit list" of things not looking good for Mosul, as well as to give due praise for managing to make it work this long despite the challenges x0x0 pointed out.
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