The Years of Experience Myth
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The Years of Experience Myth
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#2This is very true, assuming you have someone willing to learn. I did a summer internship with Motorola once and did not know a thing about programming for phones or their environment. I was fortunate to have a professor who believed in me and was able to help me get the job. By the end of the summer I had put together demos that were front line booths at LinuxWorld and CTIA that year.
I encourage students that come to our lab to take on projects that involve skills outside of their comfort zone. I think it is important to broaden your skill set but it is more important to be comfortable with not knowing exactly how to do something and figuring it out anyway.
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#3Essentially: "smart and gets things done."
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#4There are clear reasons why this is true:
Here are my theses:
- People with lots of years in one field don't have the courage/curiosity to learn something new.
- without curiosity you don't learn a lot in life.
- People with tons of experience do a job for many years without being bored? Does that mean singlemindedness?
- Our worst programmer has 20 years of experience in her field. She has a tenure track position and cannot be fired. She HAS this position because she was the only one, who did not leave in the last 20 years. Since nobody else wants her she will stay forever.
- On the other hand: smart people are bored quickly. If you don't give them new challenges, THEY will leave (with few years of experience in every field they have ever touched).
My best guess is this: The HR departments are full of mediocre people who are not smart enough themselves to find smart people. Look around: the average rules.
If we find vacancy announcements that require lots of experience or a washlist of buzzwords, this tells us something about the company already: About who writes the announcements, about the influence of the smart people in that company and about how complex they are organized.
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#5There are clear reasons why this is true: Here are my theses: - People with lots of years in one field don't have the courage/curiosity to learn something new. - without curiosity you don't learn a lot in life. - People with tons of experience do a job for many years without being bored? Does that mean singlemindedness? - Our worst programmer has 20 years of experience in her field. She has a tenure track position an…
Good points. Reminds me of an article awhile back about why it's bad to hire smart people. Of course it's bad...if you give them the wrong job.
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#6There are clear reasons why this is true: Here are my theses: - People with lots of years in one field don't have the courage/curiosity to learn something new. - without curiosity you don't learn a lot in life. - People with tons of experience do a job for many years without being bored? Does that mean singlemindedness? - Our worst programmer has 20 years of experience in her field. She has a tenure track position an…
> People with lots of years in one field don't have the courage/curiosity to learn something new.
Or they may enjoy their field, or they learn new things and apply them in their field, or their field is dynamic enough that it provides new challenges, or...
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#7There are clear reasons why this is true: Here are my theses: - People with lots of years in one field don't have the courage/curiosity to learn something new. - without curiosity you don't learn a lot in life. - People with tons of experience do a job for many years without being bored? Does that mean singlemindedness? - Our worst programmer has 20 years of experience in her field. She has a tenure track position an…
"There are clear reasons why this is true:"
"Here are my theses:"
Aren't these 2 statements conflicting?
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#8Essentially: "smart and gets things done."
And by "gets things done" -- it means STAYING ON TASK. Many "smart" new programmers have a tendency to stray off task...taking unnecessary initiatives and whatnot.
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#9There are clear reasons why this is true: Here are my theses: - People with lots of years in one field don't have the courage/curiosity to learn something new. - without curiosity you don't learn a lot in life. - People with tons of experience do a job for many years without being bored? Does that mean singlemindedness? - Our worst programmer has 20 years of experience in her field. She has a tenure track position an…
It's good for people to have a job, even if they are not the best one for that job. It helps keep the framework of society together. Ideally, people could exercise their true talent and get paid but it's not always easy to get paid for what you like to do. Like Jim Rohn says - if all you get from your job is a paycheck, you are underpaid. It's a series of checks and balances - no perfect job is out there - it's up to you to make the best of it.
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#10Having two years of experience in an application or standard is a bad practice propagated by recruitment specialists. It takes a good programmer to spot a lesser programmer. (There are plenty of cases where lesser programmers look equally good or better to management.)
This forum is accessed by people who are above average programmers. Therefore, we'd be above average at spotting good programmers. Therefore, we'd be better at doing recruitment for programmers. So, what stops you from making a very good income from recruiting programmers in a existing company? Well, I researched this problem and I discovered the answer: you don't have two years experience in recruitment. Furthermore, during this investigation, I discovered that recruitment companies specialise to the extent that they outsource the recruitment of recruitment specialists.
Yep, that's right. Recruitment companies find it beneficial to outsource the recruitment of their own staff. And what stops you becoming a recruiter specialising in recruitment? Well, d'oh, you don't have two years experience. So, anyone could be a recruiter's recruiter - if they have two years experience. Based on this profound knowledge they can recruit or become technical recruiters. So, if you ever had the suspicion that recruiters just match buzzwords then you're right. If you ever had the suspicion that you could do the job better then you're right.
It is from this situation that recruiters demand two years of experience in an application or standard which has just been released. It is from this situation that human resources departments do likewise, even when they should know better.
The ultimate solution is to replace the industry with a small shell script.