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Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Re: Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Post by onion2k »

diskcat wrote: post #80
gaur wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firing someone for taking three days off to handle a family emergency is not reasonable. Your opinion of whether the emergency was caused by risky behavior is irrelevant.

Firing somebody for not working is clearly sensible. Your opinion of whether Yelp's action is reasonable is irrelevant.

It's really not, because all your other staff will immediately consider leaving, and some actually will. You'll then face the cost of hiring and training replacements, which is very likely much higher than giving the original staff member three days off., not to mention the potential fallout from the negative publicity it might entail (like this thread).

There is no benefit to running your business this way. It's only harmful.

Re: Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Post by prawn »

johnloeber wrote: post #15

Not to distract from the content of the piece, but she took a 300% loan? THREE HUNDRED PERCENT? Could she have gotten a better loan? I'm under the impression that most banks offer loans at more reasonable rates. Also, how is Yelp able to retain salespeople in the Bay Area if they pay only $2k/month? The salary is clearly under the cost of living. On topic: please don't let all the particularities of this case distrac…

"please don't let all the particularities of this case distract you."

The bulk of your comment was about a loan she took out and a low salary!

Re: Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Post by prawn »

ryandrake wrote: post #151
diskcat wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If she was a top-notch performer Yelp would have bent over backwards to keep her around. The fact that they didn't would imply that the trouble of keeping her is less than the cost of firing her, which says a lot about the performance of an employee.

> cost of firing her I keep hearing this phrase here, often as justification for being picky when hiring. As someone who's never run a business, can someone please elaborate a bit about what it costs to fire someone? I thought, at least in the USA, there are really no worker protections. You just say "pack your stuff up and get out".

They're generally talking about the cost of re-hiring. Advertising the role or paying internal/external HR, training up the replacement, etc.

Re: Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Post by [deleted] »

prostoalex wrote: post #60

> I am the single mother who closed 17K in month one and 19K in month two. This needs more context. Is this amount of sales considered incredible, very good, average, below average or significantly below average in Yelp world? It's one thing if the author was a top-notch performer terminated for family circumstances beyond her control, it would be a different story if she was under-performing, perhaps on internal pro…

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Re: Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Post by marklyon »

tanv_nadkarni wrote: post #42
gaur wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firing someone for taking three days off to handle a family emergency is not reasonable. Your opinion of whether the emergency was caused by risky behavior is irrelevant.

That is what she claims. It is her side and we don't know what is Yelp's side of the story.

Good point. She seemed to have a lot of things happen that required her to be late, take time off, etc. Her manager may have been frustrated by the constant issues and didn't fully believe her reason now. Sad as it is, I've had more than one employee lie about illnesses, deaths, childcare situations and the like for numerous reasons, including to work elsewhere on short-term projects.

Re: Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Post by tanv_nadkarni »

onion2k wrote: post #68
tanv_nadkarni wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly my thoughts. Also I don't understand the "single mom" part. Society does not owe any special treatment to a single mom, not more than any other mom. Single mother is a choice of an independent woman and if she cant afford it she should probably not make it. Instead of being thankful for an employer to have given an opportunity in first place she is ranting against her employer, this is going to make it diffic…

Single mother is a choice of an independent woman and if she cant afford it she should probably not make it. The father of her child might have died, or left 10 years after the baby was born, etc. Saying she shouldn't have made this choice is completely idiotic. It's highly unlikely she chose her situation. I wont hire such a person. You will, because you have to. Deep down everyone is this person. We will all take t…

She is demanding special treatment for being single mother which in my opinion should not be accorded to her no matter why she is single. She could marry someone for all I care if being single is a handicap for her.

Yes, I know people have problems. The kind of people I dont want is who bitch about it and have sense of entitlement.

Re: Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Post by tanv_nadkarni »

negrit wrote: post #83
tanv_nadkarni wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly my thoughts. Also I don't understand the "single mom" part. Society does not owe any special treatment to a single mom, not more than any other mom. Single mother is a choice of an independent woman and if she cant afford it she should probably not make it. Instead of being thankful for an employer to have given an opportunity in first place she is ranting against her employer, this is going to make it diffic…

This is ridiculous. Society does not owe any special treatment to a single mom, not more than any other mom That's not true, in the US provides aid packages and grants to single mothers. Single mother is a choice of an independent woman and if she cant afford it she should probably not make it. Do you think all single mother chose to me single? Don't you think her previous boyfriend/husband could have dumped her/died…

Learning by Analogy:

But hey US uses drones to kill little kids in Pakistan and doctors in Afganistan.

Also society is not same as government. People voluntarily doing stuff is society. Few people through power of majority forcing everyone to pay up for single mothers is government.

Re: Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Post by tanv_nadkarni »

mryan wrote: post #71
tanv_nadkarni wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly my thoughts. Also I don't understand the "single mom" part. Society does not owe any special treatment to a single mom, not more than any other mom. Single mother is a choice of an independent woman and if she cant afford it she should probably not make it. Instead of being thankful for an employer to have given an opportunity in first place she is ranting against her employer, this is going to make it diffic…

I agree with your point that writing this post could be a red flag for future employers, however: > Single mother is a choice of an independent woman and if she cant afford it she should probably not make it. With respect, this is a very naive and simplistic view of the situation which displays a lack of empathy. I doubt many women make the explicit choice to become single mothers. There are many reasons she could ha…

As I said, I am talking relative to any other mom. We all know women with a kid needs support. I don't like tom toming the single mother status.

Especially when her superior clearly had cut her so much slack in past.

Re: Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Re: Yelp Fired a Single Mother Today: Me

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Post by negrit »

tanv_nadkarni wrote: post #167
negrit wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. Society does not owe any special treatment to a single mom, not more than any other mom That's not true, in the US provides aid packages and grants to single mothers. Single mother is a choice of an independent woman and if she cant afford it she should probably not make it. Do you think all single mother chose to me single? Don't you think her previous boyfriend/husband could have dumped her/died…

Learning by Analogy: But hey US uses drones to kill little kids in Pakistan and doctors in Afganistan. Also society is not same as government. People voluntarily doing stuff is society. Few people through power of majority forcing everyone to pay up for single mothers is government.

  But hey US uses drones to kill little kids in Pakistan and doctors in Afghanistan.
Off-Topic. And taking countries where husbands can throw acid at there wife without legal repercussion is a terrible example.

  Few people through power of majority forcing everyone to pay up for single mothers is government.
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