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I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12

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Re: I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12

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When you ignore that nearly the entirety of the experiences that people share you're probably filtering out signal. But knowing HN some people won't be satisfied until we do a double blind study over the entirety of someone's life until they're an adult. Ooh and don't forget n must be ge 1000

All well and good. No one will read "look at the plethora of anecdotal stories" and think, "Oh, now I see." It's a bit like saying, "There are convincing things out there. I don't have time to get into it, but the point is, you're wrong. Please accept this."

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Re: I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12

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Yeah, it sucks, but no surprise. Stalking is an old, old problem. And the police won't do anything until it turns violent. You can stalk normal people, movie stars, business people - pretty much anyone other than a psychiatrist. (It turns out that psychiatrists have a really easy time getting their stalkers committed to insane asylums.) I know a woman who owns nothing in her own name, changes her phone number frequen…

> And the police won't do anything until it turns violent.

Try violating a restraining order taken out against you and see if you maintain that opinion.

The behavior you describe as well as that of the article qualifies for seeking a restraining order, which this entire discussion seems to have forgotten is in existence. Once you have a EPO/TRO/PRO, then the police care when it is violated. A lot. It's easy for them to enforce and requires no investigation, which is the thorn that hits a lot of people when they try to get cases like this going with the police. As an example, my father went to jail more than once for violating my mother's PRO. It's also on the person's record, which is why it is good to involve a lawyer if someone files one against you.

I'm one more contact from my own stalker away from filing for one, but he seems to have forgotten about me for now. I'm mystified that the FBI advised your friend and the topic of a restraining order did not come up at all. I spoke with the FBI about my stalker after he threatened to kill me across state lines and it was the first thing they told me to do. Undoubtedly, there is more to your anecdote.

In California, as long as you choose the right kind (i.e., not domestic for civil), restraining orders are fairly trivial to get. In some cases you can get a legally-binding TRO from a judge, in a day, for free. They also show up on computers in a police officer's cruiser in California (thanks to the digitization of all of it in CLETS), so if you are literally standing in front of a person on whom you have a EPO/TRO/PRO and get a cop's attention, the crime is open and shut and they will arrest, speaking from experience. Bonus in California and maybe elsewhere: if you successfully take out a restraining order on someone, they have to surrender all their firearms or sell them (yes, really).

Seriously. Restraining orders, people. The courts are at your disposal, and they're not just for domestic violence.

Edit: Except in New York, apparently, where the author of the article lives. Go New York. New York readers: vote to fix that incredibly moronic situation at once, then travel to a sane state on this like California and go back home with one of ours, which should be enforceable there. Seriously, in the Internet age, the complete absence of a non-dating civil protective order mechanism is an absolute and disgusting shame, and means your only recourse from the courts exists if you make out with your stalker. What a grandly perverse incentive you have there from your judicial system. I'm actually worked up about this from learning it in this thread, and sympathize far more with the article author now than I did before I knew that.

California resources:

- http://www.courts.ca.gov/1260.htm

- http://www.courts.ca.gov/selfhelp-domesticviolence.htm (dating/relationship/etc)

- http://www.courts.ca.gov/1044.htm (not dating, impossible in New York, apparently)

Re: I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12

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post #56

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Why? This guy has, time and again, harassed this person after being asked to stop. He has shown that he does not care to follow the rules of civilized society.

So there's no hope for his rehabilitation? I hardly think so. You also seem to believe that prisons exist merely to punish rather than deter and/or rehabilitate - which, incidentally, reveals the most cursory of understandings of the penal system.

No, I am very much in favor of rehabilitation over punishment. However, there are people who don't respond to that. I believe this guy is one of them. 12 years, and he didn't stop? That's not someone who's interested in rehabilitation.

Re: I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12

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While this must have no doubt been a horrid experience, I can see why the cops would not have considered it worthy of launching a criminal investigation. This is a perfect case for civil law: causing emotional distress, harassment, defamation, etc. You should attempt to sue him and get a no-contact order if you can.

Even though having a visit from the cops would probably cause this guy to be scared into no longer doing this?

I'm sure it would've, but they would've needed to commit resources to investigate and confirm the claims were likely true before doing that.

Re: I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? This guy has, time and again, harassed this person after being asked to stop. He has shown that he does not care to follow the rules of civilized society.

> He has shown that he does not care to follow the rules of civilized society. I think it's much more likely he's mentally ill and doesn't understand them.

I think that's a convenient excuse. I mean, these are not deep, intricate, complex social rules we're talking about.

Re: I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12

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post #53

While this must have no doubt been a horrid experience, I can see why the cops would not have considered it worthy of launching a criminal investigation. This is a perfect case for civil law: causing emotional distress, harassment, defamation, etc. You should attempt to sue him and get a no-contact order if you can.

Even though having a visit from the cops would probably cause this guy to be scared into no longer doing this?

Anecdotal evidence suggests that this tactic only works on some people. Some stalkers don't care when they get a visit from the police (the police very clearly can't do anything and will state that explicitly).

Some may take a short break and then feel the urge come back; others may just go right ahead. (Some people don't realize they're stalking, and will stop. It's worth a try to ask them to stop.)

After having asked nicely, suing is unfortunately your only recourse. And it really sucks that suing takes so much time, effort, and money, especially in a situation like this.

Re: I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12

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There's a moment in the pilot of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt where the women are rescued from the bunker and put on a daytime talk show and Matt Lauer asks one of the women how she ended up in the bunker: "I had waited on Reverend Richard at a York Steak House I worked at, and one night he invited me out to his car to see some baby rabbits, and I didn’t want to be rude, so… here we are." And Matt Lauer responds: "I…

I've found they also have an amazing ability to make excuses for the behaviors of others. I had an ex who got into a lot of sketchy situations because she refused to believe people were exactly who they were telling her they were. Guys would do inappropriate things that clearly bothered her, but she would claim they were "joking" or believe she misunderstood, etc. etc. So she wouldn't set any boundaries, and of cours…

While many people are like this, it seems a bit unfair to stereotype all women as gullible.

Re: I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12

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Most of these amount to libel, at worst. File suit. There are excellent reasons for police to be uninvolved in what amounts to people saying mean things, even if those mean things are directed at your employer or friends.

Would you be so calm if someone hired a PI to spy on you, then mailed photoshopped pictures and faked evidence to every potential employer claiming you were a child molester?

There is definitely the potential to chill free speech and we need to be careful; however there is also such thing as harassment.

We need to figure out where the line is, then task a department in the FBI with enforcing it. If even 1% of the people trolling, harassing, and doxxing people were put in prison it would immediately evicerate most of those movements as the scaredy cats abandoned ship. It's one thing to harass someone across the country for free with no consequences. It's quite another to face jail time (even if it's 2 weeks served on weekends).

Re: I’ve Had a Cyberstalker Since I Was 12

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There's a moment in the pilot of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt where the women are rescued from the bunker and put on a daytime talk show and Matt Lauer asks one of the women how she ended up in the bunker: "I had waited on Reverend Richard at a York Steak House I worked at, and one night he invited me out to his car to see some baby rabbits, and I didn’t want to be rude, so… here we are." And Matt Lauer responds: "I…

Agree with this, but men are victims of stalking as well (considering the theme of the article). Perhaps the article insisted too much that it is a women's problem. In any case, if the laws related to staking don't exclude male victims, good enough.

They don't exclude men. The ability to get LEO to give a crap varied by jurisdiction but plenty of guys have managed to get consequences enforced on their male or female harassers.

Mostly I think it's a result of the average LEO/judge being older and having no clue what the consequences are of the ongoing harassment. It's definitely true that lots of judges/prosecutors have told people to "just get off the internet".

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