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Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by lkozma »

Groxx wrote: post #24
thaumaturgy wrote: post #10

My current primary business is IT consulting, which really means that I spend most of my time working face-to-face with people that have trouble with computers and technology in general. So, this kind of behavior isn't news to me. In fact, I've tried often to convince the tech-savvy that most users have problems like this, and I've never been all that successful. The RWW "Facebook login" is great from this standpoint…

...most of these are good people, and many of them have accomplished more in their lives than many of the denigrating commenters ever will. While true, I'll still be prejudiced against people that leave comments like (#14): wtf is this bullshttttttttttt all about. can i get n plzzzzzzzzz and I'll actively argue that many who spell and act this poorly in public are probably at least as much of a detriment to society a…

While I agree 99% with you, here's a story that happened to me:

I was about the go to a summer school on computer science research and the organizers have set up a mailing list in advance. People generally wrote friendly introductory messages, but there was one guy who seemed totally incoherent. He was like: 'yo gouys, hope too c u soon, i wil com by trein, ll ariv at 7, rlly xcited'. I was about to send a reply and lecture him that writing in this way was disrespectful and annoying, but luckily I was too lazy to do it. When I eventually met him, it turned out that he was completely blind (since birth), managed to go through school in a really unfair school system (mostly with the help of a few good friends) and went to college to study computer science and he uses all sorts of inadequate tools to type and use the computer in general. Turned out he was an extremely intelligent person, able to visualize and solve differential equations in his head that I could not work out on paper, and in all fields he was very knowledgeable and articulate. I wish I could say that after this event I'm more careful in summarily judging people.

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by ash »

About the habit to type everything into Google search:

I thought typing facebook.com (or somesite.com) into Google is crazy. But it has an advantage. If you misspell it, Google will fix the domain name for you. This way you get the protection from phishing sites.

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by dale-cooper »

blasdel wrote: post #55
thaumaturgy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't Google's fault. In Firefox, if you type a non-address directly into the address bar, it automagically directs you to the top Google hit for that query. The real failure here is Mozilla, for releasing a "feature" that, as usual, appeals to computer power users, and royally fucks over computer novices.

It's much, much worse on the GTK version of Firefox -- inspired by the X default of mouse3==paste, on such platforms they make the middlemouse.contentLoadURL config default to true. This means that if you middle click anywhere in the window that isn't a link, it instantly redirects you to the "I'm feeling lucky" result for the contents of the last text selection you made. I cannot think of a single creepier usability…

I love this feature. I miss it when i have to work on other systems/browsers. Like you say, it's standard.. You might like chrome, it compromised on the feature by only allowing you to paste+go on the new-tab-button.

I think ubuntu "helps" you by disabling this feature by default though.

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by iron_ball »

fragmede wrote: post #106
marilyn wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly doubt that the majority of these users are using Firefox. More likely they are using the default browser available on their operating system.

I thought about that too... but I'm rather sure that 'operating system default browser' is going to be Internet Explorer, and uh, Google's not the default there.

Maybe they type "google" into Live, click the first link, then type "facebook login" into Google.

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by iron_ball »

mechanical_fish wrote: post #76
jrockway wrote: post #3

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This is why I don't get too excited about Internet entrepreneurship. In order to be successful, you have to appeal to this type of person. And I don't want to. (Is there even a single comment there written in correct written English? I don't see one; everything is misspelled, mis-capitalized, or just plain incomprehensible. Depressing! So very depressing!)

I can't create a single sentence in correctly written Chinese. Or Russian, or even French for that matter -- I can cough up some random French words on paper, but they will likely be misspelled and "just plain incomprehensible." What "type" of person am I? Written communication is a stunt that is mastered by a relative handful of people, and polite, formal written communication by even fewer. The others communicate b…

If only we could comment on a blog by cooking.

Less sarcastically, maybe people would like a system for posting voice comments to blogs. Startup opportunity for ya.

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by JadeNB »

Confusion wrote: post #111
madair wrote: post #72

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There is nothing good about this at all, this is class warfare and culture warfare all wrapped up together, both very bad and both ripping America, among other places, apart right about....now. You have absolutely no clue about this person and yet you are prejudiced against him, her, it. Is he/she/it 10 years old? You have no clue. You don't know background, you know nothing except that this person just feels that th…

You have absolutely no clue about this person If someone makes a public comment that is illegible [1] or incomprehensible, then I have a pretty good clue about that persons inability to write. Considering how close the ability to write and the ability to think are, you also have a pretty good clue about their ability to think. Of course, this all depends on the assumption the comment wasn't just a troll. [1] Or can y…

> [1] Or can you say that only about handwriting?

Although something that is illegible is certainly unreadable, you have hit here on the fact that the converse is false, explaining why we need both words. (I.e.: a piece of writing is illegible if the glyphs that constitute it cannot be discovered; the unfortunate comment you found was made only of recognisable glyphs, so perfectly legible, but unreadable.)

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by jellobyte »

dtby wrote: post #122
jellobyte wrote: post #117

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"How is this different from laughing at people because their skin is a different color, or they speak a different language?" There's nothing wrong with discrimination in and of itself. It's actually desirable in a lot of cases. For instance, discriminating based upon competency/intelligence is a good thing. Discrimination only becomes a problem when you're discriminating based upon an |irrelevant| characteristic. (Re…

Relevancy is determined by your priorities and/or values. Which, unless I am misinterpreting the preceding sentence, means that essentially discrimination is never a problem. I think part of the problem is defining "a problem for whom."

Fortunately, society (theoretically) compels people to adopt certain values.

Which, unless I am misinterpreting the preceding sentence, means that essentially discrimination is never a problem.

What I meant is, there are some attributes that would be acceptable to consider in one context but not in another. For instance, if you were hiring a prison guard to strip-search male inmates, it would be reasonable to confine your search to men. You're discriminating based upon sex, which ordinarily is unacceptable, but in the context of this position, is relevant. If you were interviewing for another position, such as a prison administrator, limiting your search to men would be an arbitrary constraint that's irrelevant and puts an entire group of people at a disadvantage.

Society tends to classify discrimination as bad if you use an arbitrary characteristic AND one that the individual has no control over.

Re: Daring Fireball: "Facebook login"

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Post by mambodog »

fragmede wrote: post #106
marilyn wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly doubt that the majority of these users are using Firefox. More likely they are using the default browser available on their operating system.

I thought about that too... but I'm rather sure that 'operating system default browser' is going to be Internet Explorer, and uh, Google's not the default there.

Google toolbar, maybe?
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