Snooper's charter to extend police access to phone and internet data
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#2"Extend the use of state remote computer hacking from the security services to the police in cases involving a 'threat to life' or missing persons. This can include cases involving 'damage to somebody’s mental health', but will be restricted to use by the National Crime Agency and a small number of major police forces."
I didn't think I could be surprised, given that the UK hands out "anti-social behavior orders," but now they want to hack the trolls?
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#3> • Extend the use of state remote computer hacking from the security services to the police in cases involving a “threat to life” or missing persons. This can include cases involving “damage to somebody’s mental health”, but will be restricted to use by the National Crime Agency and a small number of major police forces.
Aka "Antisocial behavior" == "We can hack your computer"
> The home secretary told MPs she had rejected the committees’ recommendations to exclude the use of state surveillance powers for the “economic wellbeing” of the UK. She also resisted their demand to scrap warrants allowing GCHQ to undertake bulk computer hacking, describing them as a “key operational requirement”.
Aka "We can hack anyone who isn't in the UK for financial reasons"
All this is really doing is guaranteeing a digital police state in the UK with all level of access, powers, and data recording that would be the wet dream of literally any fascist regime.
As sad as it is to say...
I can't wait until the very exploits and databases the UK is going to gather get "hacked". It is the only way I think they might possibly wake up and realize how fucking horrific this is.
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#4I see the UK roll out what seems to me increasingly intrusive laws because "terrorists" but relatively muted responses to these encroachments. Do people just not care or have they become numb from the incremental changes over time (starting with surveillance cameras etc.)?
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#5The UK is always five years ahead of the rest of the West when it comes to codifying the destruction of their citizens' privacy into law.
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#6"Extend the use of state remote computer hacking from the security services to the police in cases involving a 'threat to life' or missing persons. This can include cases involving 'damage to somebody’s mental health', but will be restricted to use by the National Crime Agency and a small number of major police forces." I didn't think I could be surprised, given that the UK hands out "anti-social behavior orders," bu…
> I didn't think I could be surprised, given that the UK hands out "anti-social behavior orders," but now they want to hack the trolls?
I can kind of see what you're getting at and could agree that they are sometimes misused. However having lived in several locations where just one terrible family of 4-5 people can make the entire road hell to live on for everyone else, day and night, for years, I'm inclined to support their use.
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#7I see the UK roll out what seems to me increasingly intrusive laws because "terrorists" but relatively muted responses to these encroachments. Do people just not care or have they become numb from the incremental changes over time (starting with surveillance cameras etc.)?
I work in the UK and live in a household where 3 of 4 people work in tech. It's mostly a case of the people outside of tech simply not knowing. Short of a prime-time TV special that outlined just how long the tentacles of GCHQ are and how it actually affects people; there won't be a change.
For those that are in tech, there are essentially two fields of thought I can extrapolate:
1. There's those like myself who are just plain uncomfortable with the idea of someone somewhere having access to every facet of me and my online presence. Modern day tinfoil-hattery if you will. It's at a point bordering on paranoia and having to cover so many bases to have basic operational security of your day to day life is exhausting.
2. There's those that say "I've nothing to hide, what do I care what the government sees". This is the overwhelming majority. What seems to be lacking is an education of the people on the freedom they're passively giving up. Education of these people in this country against the threat of omnipresent surveillance does not exist. It would have to exist outside the realm of the Government and as great as the EFF and various news sources documenting the abolishing of civil freedoms are, I feel it's not enough. I can almost guarantee that if I turned to any one of the 100+ devs on my floor, they wouldn't even know what TTIP is, let alone what the GCHQ is capable of doing.
I feel we've already lost. There's simply not enough force to stop what's happening.
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#8This seems a bit excessive, being able to collect not just relevant files but all files regardless of their relevance with this new expansion on police capabilities. What's particularly scary is the ability to acquire the past 12 months worth of data of everyone. It claims this will assist with "threat to life" and missing persons cases, but would that not mean the police can now arbitrarily point fingers and say we need your data even when it's not clear that a person was involved? Yes, there's a double-lock system in place, but who are to say these two are responsible to hold such power without consensus of the people?
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#9I see the UK roll out what seems to me increasingly intrusive laws because "terrorists" but relatively muted responses to these encroachments. Do people just not care or have they become numb from the incremental changes over time (starting with surveillance cameras etc.)?
I work in the UK and live in a household where 3 of 4 people work in tech. It's mostly a case of the people outside of tech simply not knowing. Short of a prime-time TV special that outlined just how long the tentacles of GCHQ are and how it actually affects people; there won't be a change. For those that are in tech, there are essentially two fields of thought I can extrapolate: 1. There's those like myself who are…
> I feel we've already lost. There's simply not enough force to stop what's happening.
Yeah, sadly, I have to agree with you. I think until there is a massive, public breach of this data people will assume its okay.
Even if people feel they have nothing to hide, I suspect the GCHQ and the Snoopers Charter will result in large scale private data collection that people are "okay" with the government but not the general public being aware of. However, once its all spilled into the public view they'll understand why this was a bad thing...at which point it'll be too late for an entire generation of people but gives hope for the future. :/
Re: Snooper's charter to extend police access to phone and internet data
#10I see the UK roll out what seems to me increasingly intrusive laws because "terrorists" but relatively muted responses to these encroachments. Do people just not care or have they become numb from the incremental changes over time (starting with surveillance cameras etc.)?
The weird thing is that in many ways the UK's risk from terrorism is much lower than it used to be, since the Good Friday Agreement put an end to the actual civil war going on in the UK.