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Re: React Makes You Sad?

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Post by mbrock »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #120
doughj3 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even better, I can now create both iOS apps and Android apps at the same time Are you referring to native apps, or do you mean by making a Web app with React you don't need to make native apps?

React Native [0]. Your view-specific code still has to be done per-platform, but your core logic can be shared, and all of it is written with Javascript using React as the framework. The JS creates and controls native elements, with the native parts mostly abstracted away. [0] https://facebook.github.io/react-native/

You can write much view code in a way that abstracts over the DOM/Native platform, too, using standard abstraction techniques.

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Post by phase_9 »

plexicle wrote: post #106

I have tried to get in to React all week. The technology is easy, but it's Webpack that I'm having trouble enjoying. All I want is are two simple configs. A dev one with a server/hot loader, and a prod one that concats/minifies. ES2015. That's it. That just doesn't exist out there. It's either no decent production bundler, or it's like 15 files and 900 lines of configuration that seem completely overkill. I don't kno…

Hey plexicle - I also bumped into this one when I started with webpack; I've written the approach I use as a blog post, hope this helps: http://jonnyreeves.co.uk/2016/simple-webpack-prod-and-dev-co...

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Post by brlewis »

level wrote: post #53
ryannevius wrote: post #4

React made me sad, so I switched to Mithril[1]. Not only is it significantly smaller in size, but it's way faster and includes a router and AJAX methods out of the box. I wish more people would give it a shot. That said, I do still love React Native, and use React on a daily basis to take advantage of the "write once, run anywhere" paradigm. [1] https://lhorie.github.io/mithril/

We're currently using Mithril and one of the biggest issues was getting started in it. It's adoption is lacking, making finding people who've had similar issues difficult. Solving every problem yourself is much harder than finding an existing answer on SO. That said, we still use it, but we're considering moving to React in the future, mostly since its learning curve is a lot less steep and we would be able to iterat…

I'm curious what difficult issues you encountered. I've been using Mithril for a relatively simple SPA and it's been straightforward so far.

Re: React Makes You Sad?

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Post by vietnameselady1 »

qudat wrote: post #150
vietnameselady1 wrote: post #83

Although I like this a lot, and I think it addresses most individual nuggets of React Sadness in a pretty reasonable way, I am still sad. I am sad because every process rectangle in this chart should also point to a decision diamond that says: "Does it seem that the entire industry has migrated to this stack, whether or not it really makes sense for everyone to? That a feedback loop now influences shops to choose the…

Did anyone claim the same about jQuery a few years ago? First people claim about js library fatigue, now we are complaining about there only being "one employable js library."

My point is more that, while Dan A.'s chart does a good job of addressing individual parts of React Sadness, it is sort of moot, because those choices will already be made for me, wholesale, via tangential incentives and community mob rule, instead of consideration and consensus on a per-project basis.

It doesn't matter (for example) if I am/am not comfortable with ES2015 syntax. A junior developer already made that decision for me when he decided to implement the modal window by adding React, Babel, and Webpack to the project, instead of just writing a two-line event listener and a CSS class. Meanwhile, my colleagues are standing at the kegerator toasting his choice, because how could we ever have maintained or optimized such archaic vanilla JavaScript before without arrow functions and DOM diffing!?

React is not bad. In fact, it is great. But instead of being "an option" it is becoming "the default." Sadness results from being forced by industry trends into using it everywhere, despite knowing that it doesn't solve any problems that I did have while introducing new problems that I didn't have.

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Post by sergiotapia »

Give React a try with Meteor and your head will explode.

Suddenly everything works out of the box, you get nice ES6 syntax out of the box, files structure is flexible out of the box - notice a trend?

Meteor and React is hands down the best way to use React in my honest opinion. Meteor 1.3 will come out very soon and will have full NPM and module support, after that I think Meteor will take the web by storm and become the defacto way to build modern webapps. None of this webpack silliness.

Re: React Makes You Sad?

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Post by debacle »

tptacek wrote: post #14
raziel2p wrote: post #9

Some of these are a bit dubious. "Are you using a bundler?" If yes: "try not using a bundler." If no: "try using a bundler." Same for flux/redux.

I think you've missed the point. The thesis of the flowchart isn't that there's just one way to build React programs, but rather that it's the opposite: one reason people get sad with React is that they cargo-cult things from other projects that aren't relevant to their own project, and another reason is that people are missing things from other projects that might help.

Using React without having a clear understanding of why is cargo-culting.

Re: React Makes You Sad?

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Post by tptacek »

debacle wrote: post #166
tptacek wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you've missed the point. The thesis of the flowchart isn't that there's just one way to build React programs, but rather that it's the opposite: one reason people get sad with React is that they cargo-cult things from other projects that aren't relevant to their own project, and another reason is that people are missing things from other projects that might help.

Using React without having a clear understanding of why is cargo-culting.

I don't think that's true, or if it is, the first time you use any new tool you're probably cargo-culting.

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Post by kruhft »

tptacek wrote: post #157
kruhft wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately I'm not looking for a Religion, I'm just looking to get my job done. Too much structure can be just as bad as not enough when it comes to programming.

It sounds less like you're not open to "religions" and more like you just don't want to be working in React. That's fine; React isn't a moral crusade.

No, I don't really, it's just part of my job, unfortunately.

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Post by beefsack »

sergiotapia wrote: post #165

Give React a try with Meteor and your head will explode. Suddenly everything works out of the box, you get nice ES6 syntax out of the box, files structure is flexible out of the box - notice a trend? Meteor and React is hands down the best way to use React in my honest opinion. Meteor 1.3 will come out very soon and will have full NPM and module support, after that I think Meteor will take the web by storm and become…

Does Meteor scale to hundreds of concurrent users yet? I've used it multiple times in the past and have always hit performance barriers even at tens of users, and have found it make scaling your infrastructure nigh on impossible.

Re: React Makes You Sad?

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Post by shruubi »

Am I the only one that finds it weird that this entire chart is about morphing how you use React into something that works for you rather than helping you evaluate your needs and identify what might be a non-react solution.

Why are we as an industry suddenly so married to the idea that rather than evaluating other solutions we should just hammer away at React until it works for what we need?

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