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Windows 10 IoT Core Support for Raspberry Pi 3

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Re: Windows 10 IoT Core Support for Raspberry Pi 3

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Post by useerup »

hnur wrote: post #5

I'm not entirely up to speed on the situation of UEFI secure boot for ARM; didn't Microsoft mandate that it can't be disabled for such devices to boot Windows? Is that the case here?

These are categorized as experimental devices and Windows 10 is free to use on those devices for development and testing.

The UEFI secure boot requirements only apply if you want to distribute a commercial product and want to slap a "Designed for Windows 10" sticker on it - or negotiate a special distribution license with Microsoft (i.e. do not expect Windows 10 to be "free" if you want to use it in a commercially distributes product).

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core Support for Raspberry Pi 3

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Post by symlinkk »

You know what's funny is you can't even flash Raspbian on an SD Card on Windows without a third party application [1]. If Microsoft is going to be all gung-ho about open source and about the Pi, maybe they should ship "dd" with their command prompt...and bash / coreutils while they're at it. Until they do that, development on Windows is going to be a pain outside of the Visual Studio walled garden, and barely anyone is going to want to develop on Windows when 99% of the tutorials and documentation online is written for a bash prompt. And I'm not talking about just Pi development - developing anything on Windows is a huge pain without a Bash prompt and proper coreutils support.

[1] https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/insta...

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core Support for Raspberry Pi 3

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Post by chadzawistowski »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #18

I'm really interested in this as I have a project that would be perfect for it, but I don't see any licensing information available. Anyone know anything about that?

There are two licensing models for Windows 10 IoT Core https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/windows-i...

> There is a SKU ‘Windows 10 IoT Core’ available at no royalty cost for all our device makers that enables automatic OS updates via Windows Update when connected to the internet.

> In addition, we also have an OEM exclusive SKU ‘Windows 10 IoT Core Pro’ which provides an ability to defer and control updates. This SKU can be licensed via distributors. Except for the servicing model difference, the features are the same between these two SKUs of Windows 10 IoT Core.

So it's free for most everyone who would be browsing Hacker News.

I work for Microsoft on IoT Core, so it's exciting to see some exposure! :)

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core Support for Raspberry Pi 3

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Post by chinathrow »

chadzawistowski wrote: post #26
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #18

I'm really interested in this as I have a project that would be perfect for it, but I don't see any licensing information available. Anyone know anything about that?

There are two licensing models for Windows 10 IoT Core https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/windows-i... > There is a SKU ‘Windows 10 IoT Core’ available at no royalty cost for all our device makers that enables automatic OS updates via Windows Update when connected to the internet. > In addition, we also have an OEM exclusive SKU ‘Windows 10 IoT Core Pro’ which provides an ability to defer and control…

Free if the backdoor is enabled.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core Support for Raspberry Pi 3

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Post by runjake »

symlinkk wrote: post #25

You know what's funny is you can't even flash Raspbian on an SD Card on Windows without a third party application [1]. If Microsoft is going to be all gung-ho about open source and about the Pi, maybe they should ship "dd" with their command prompt...and bash / coreutils while they're at it. Until they do that, development on Windows is going to be a pain outside of the Visual Studio walled garden, and barely anyone…

> And I'm not talking about just Pi development - developing anything on Windows is a huge pain without a Bash prompt and proper coreutils support.

Now that's some grade A nonsense.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core Support for Raspberry Pi 3

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Post by runjake »

cptskippy wrote: post #19
callesgg wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it does not actualy run "normal" Windows.

Has anyone taken a close look at what's actually running? I suppose it could be a version of the Windows Kernel since they have it running on ARM for Phone and RT but I frankly wouldn't be all that surprised if they were running Linux with .NET Core on top.

"Windows 10 IoT Core is a version of Windows 10 that is optimized for smaller devices with or without a display, and that runs on the Raspberry Pi 2 and 3, Arrow DragonBoard 410c & MinnowBoard MAX. Windows 10 IoT Core utilizes the rich, extensible Universal Windows Platform (UWP) API for building great solutions."

http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/IoTCore.htm

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core Support for Raspberry Pi 3

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Post by Someone1234 »

symlinkk wrote: post #25

You know what's funny is you can't even flash Raspbian on an SD Card on Windows without a third party application [1]. If Microsoft is going to be all gung-ho about open source and about the Pi, maybe they should ship "dd" with their command prompt...and bash / coreutils while they're at it. Until they do that, development on Windows is going to be a pain outside of the Visual Studio walled garden, and barely anyone…

> And I'm not talking about just Pi development - developing anything on Windows is a huge pain without a Bash prompt and proper coreutils support.

You haven't used Windows in a very very long time I take it? Powershell is likely a better shell than Bash and Microsoft freely provides compilers for C/C++/.Net and you can trivially get compilers for most other major languages on the platform.

All I am reading from your complaints is that you're scared of learning something new.

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