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Re: Linux Mint downloads (briefly) compromised

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Post by pimeys »

banterfoil wrote: post #220
pimeys wrote: post #203

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Funny, because I've been using Arch Linux now almost 5 years on my work computer without any problems. Same desktop (xmonad), same editor (emacs) and same terminal (xterm) with the most awesome configuration stored in Github. The only problems I've heard here are coming from the OSX users, who face difficulties when upgrading the OS into a new version, which breaks homebrew or something...

Perhaps Servercobra was talking about the barrier for entry. I haven't yet set up an Arch distro, but I can say that getting started with OSX is beyond simple. Based on what I have heard, setting up Arch can be rather difficult. I really like the idea of Arch but I am intimidated to jump in. What was your experience like when you first booted up Arch?

Well, I have experience with Linux for the last 20 years, since I was 12 years old, so it was not that strange to setup Arch for the first time, way easier than the early Red Hats back in the days. I also have long history with OSX, including the early 10.0 builds until 10.6. I honestly think that having a nicely configured computer build with a simple distribution, like Arch, is much easier for day-to-day work than an OSX installation, that can break lots of things when there's a new version out.

Re: Linux Mint downloads (briefly) compromised

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Post by weavie »

feld wrote: post #193
weavie wrote: post #120

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Me... I had been using Arch and FreeBSD for a time because I felt it was what serious programmers had to use. Then one day after FreeBSD refused to boot up again I figured I was bored of messing about in recovery mode yet again so I just thought I would give Mint ago. 20 minutes later everything was up and running. Since then I haven't been able to find the time or the will to spend a whole evening setting up my mach…

Genuinely curious how you managed to make FreeBSD fail to boot up? :-)

I installed XMonad. Can't remember the exact sequence of events, but I think whilst messing with the config to set it as the default desktop it crashed and could only boot into recovery.. It would probably have been an easy fix, but I really just wanted a working machine quick.

Re: Linux Mint downloads (briefly) compromised

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Post by tremon »

versteegen wrote: post #219
tremon wrote: post #110

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A simple package system without dependency tracking has had many advantages for me. Are you equating "simple package system" with "per-package service isolation" here? Because otherwise I don't see how your example about upgrades not requiring a reboot ties in with the package system. Debian has probably the most extensive package system, yet it still allows you to do upgrades without reboot. The major exception to t…

Thanks for the information. So I assume Ubuntu now also allows parallel multiarch devel packages? I've never tried Debian, and my experience with Ubuntu is very limited. I guess my comment on reboots was off-base, and maybe more of it. I meant that packages aren't densely interconnected with dependencies. (macports has it really bad, seems every time I want to upgrade python I need to recompile gcc or something.) Any…

Ubuntu should be able to do it, as the multiarch spec was developed in collaboration [1]. I'm not sure how well-integrated it is with the rest of Ubuntu's archive and infrastructure though (for example, Ubuntu first used a modified syntax in sources.list vs Debian's dpkg --add-architecture approach [2]). My 80% figure is also just a wild guess, I've tried it very early and failed for some exotic packages, but right now I only use it for a few packages.

I understand what you mean about tightly integrated package dependencies, and for me Debian is the rare exception in that it mostly works. My main irk with it is that dpkg only allows one version of a package to be installed, so you end up with package names like gcc-4.9 to allow parallel installation. Or in your example, there's a lua5.1, lua5.2 and lua5.3 in the archive -- but that doesn't mean that every lua library is also available in all three versions.

But the package compatibility is still way better than ecosystems like Maven/Gradle or Stackage, where dependencies can be so tightly coupled that you end up working around old bugs in one package, or new bugs in another.

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec

[2] https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO

Re: Linux Mint downloads (briefly) compromised

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Post by versteegen »

tremon wrote: post #233
versteegen wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the information. So I assume Ubuntu now also allows parallel multiarch devel packages? I've never tried Debian, and my experience with Ubuntu is very limited. I guess my comment on reboots was off-base, and maybe more of it. I meant that packages aren't densely interconnected with dependencies. (macports has it really bad, seems every time I want to upgrade python I need to recompile gcc or something.) Any…

Ubuntu should be able to do it, as the multiarch spec was developed in collaboration [1]. I'm not sure how well-integrated it is with the rest of Ubuntu's archive and infrastructure though (for example, Ubuntu first used a modified syntax in sources.list vs Debian's dpkg --add-architecture approach [2]). My 80% figure is also just a wild guess, I've tried it very early and failed for some exotic packages, but right n…

Thanks. Hmm, the MultiarchSpec page lists "Co-installable -dev packages" as an unresolved issue, but hasn't been updated since 2014. The MultiarchCross[1] page specifically about that issue hasn't been updated since 2013. I couldn't work out what the current situation is.

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchCross

Re: Linux Mint downloads (briefly) compromised

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Post by ergo14 »

cookiecaper wrote: post #217
ergo14 wrote: post #186

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Sorry between Mint and Gnome 3 - Gnome seems to have better HiDPI support, but cinnamon is close :)

Gnome 3 only allows whole integer steps in DPI scaling. This means that the options for me are a) too small at 1x or b) too big at 2x. I use a scale factor of 1.4x in KDE. I haven't tested on Cinnamon, so I don't know if it accepts non-integers for scaling.

It doesn't I tried this recently ;)

I would gladly use KDE - I like it, but this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162211 is still not fixed after so many years (and no - the title is not updated - it doesn't affect only remote media)

Re: Linux Mint downloads (briefly) compromised

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Post by pnt12 »

banterfoil wrote: post #220
pimeys wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, because I've been using Arch Linux now almost 5 years on my work computer without any problems. Same desktop (xmonad), same editor (emacs) and same terminal (xterm) with the most awesome configuration stored in Github. The only problems I've heard here are coming from the OSX users, who face difficulties when upgrading the OS into a new version, which breaks homebrew or something...

Perhaps Servercobra was talking about the barrier for entry. I haven't yet set up an Arch distro, but I can say that getting started with OSX is beyond simple. Based on what I have heard, setting up Arch can be rather difficult. I really like the idea of Arch but I am intimidated to jump in. What was your experience like when you first booted up Arch?

Installing Arch Linux requires seems to require both knowledge and time. I haven't installed myself, but I've seen friends and people in the Internet describing it that way.

If you want to quickly try something similar, I'd suggest Manjaro Linux, which is based on Arch. It really feels like Arch but with non-minimal defaults for those who don't want to set up everything themselves.

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