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Re: Microsoft, Google, Facebook Back Apple in Blocked Phone Case

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Post by criddell »

harryh wrote: post #250
criddell wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have no idea what kind of password is set on that phone. If the shooter used a good password (he probably didn't), then no matter what Apple does, the FBI is still going to be locked out. The chance of there being anything valuable on that phone is pretty slim. Especially when you consider how much the government is willing to spend on it. I was just watching CNN and Apple has apparently detailed what it would tak…

I won't cost 50 million dollars to comment out a few lines of code and recompile the OS. That reporter has no idea what they're talking about.

To be fair, neither do you.

Re: Microsoft, Google, Facebook Back Apple in Blocked Phone Case

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Post by harryh »

criddell wrote: post #251
harryh wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't cost 50 million dollars to comment out a few lines of code and recompile the OS. That reporter has no idea what they're talking about.

To be fair, neither do you.

Sure I do. I've been a professional programmer for almost 20 years. I have a pretty good idea about what sorts of things are hard to do and what sorts of things are easy to do. The FBI's requests are very easy. 50M is ~200 man years of work. That number is insane.

Re: Microsoft, Google, Facebook Back Apple in Blocked Phone Case

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Post by criddell »

harryh wrote: post #252
criddell wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, neither do you.

Sure I do. I've been a professional programmer for almost 20 years. I have a pretty good idea about what sorts of things are hard to do and what sorts of things are easy to do. The FBI's requests are very easy. 50M is ~200 man years of work. That number is insane.

Have you ever worked some place that requires a security clearance?

Well, for Apple to develop this software, they would insist on it being developed in a locked down facility that doesn't currently exist (what Apple has is in use). I think they have said it's only about $100,000 of developer time (so maybe 2-3 months of work), but the infrastructure that would be necessary for the work to be done in a way that doesn't risk any leaks is expensive.

Re: Microsoft, Google, Facebook Back Apple in Blocked Phone Case

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Post by harryh »

criddell wrote: post #253
harryh wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure I do. I've been a professional programmer for almost 20 years. I have a pretty good idea about what sorts of things are hard to do and what sorts of things are easy to do. The FBI's requests are very easy. 50M is ~200 man years of work. That number is insane.

Have you ever worked some place that requires a security clearance? Well, for Apple to develop this software, they would insist on it being developed in a locked down facility that doesn't currently exist (what Apple has is in use). I think they have said it's only about $100,000 of developer time (so maybe 2-3 months of work), but the infrastructure that would be necessary for the work to be done in a way that doesn…

Can you make up some more facts about Apple's real estate situation and software methodology?

Re: Microsoft, Google, Facebook Back Apple in Blocked Phone Case

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Post by mmmmmjjjjjj »

mythz wrote: post #22

From recent polls most people think this debate is about: "Should Apple be forced to give the Terrorist's phone data to the FBI" When what it's really about: "Should the FBI be able to compel technology companies to use their resources against their own and their Customers right to Security." In order for the public to be properly informed about what's really at stake this case needs to be about the "Technology Indus…

mm

Re: Microsoft, Google, Facebook Back Apple in Blocked Phone Case

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Post by mmmmmjjjjjj »

biturd wrote: post #142
mythz wrote: post #22

From recent polls most people think this debate is about: "Should Apple be forced to give the Terrorist's phone data to the FBI" When what it's really about: "Should the FBI be able to compel technology companies to use their resources against their own and their Customers right to Security." In order for the public to be properly informed about what's really at stake this case needs to be about the "Technology Indus…

What about other large semi tech companies. Starting with Tesla, but GE, paypal, Asus, Linksys, Cisco, Sun, Bay Networks, Coca-Cola, IBM, FedEx, Starbucks, Procter and Gamble and all medical HIPAA institutions, schools and Universities, McDonalds, Disney, Pixar, Amex, Visa, MasterCard, Costco, Caterpillar, Target, Nike, UPS, USPS, Exxon, Pepsi, Samsung, AT&T, t_mobile, Verizon, Sprint, Oracle, General Mills, Wells Fa…

your right

Re: Microsoft, Google, Facebook Back Apple in Blocked Phone Case

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Post by criddell »

harryh wrote: post #254
criddell wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever worked some place that requires a security clearance? Well, for Apple to develop this software, they would insist on it being developed in a locked down facility that doesn't currently exist (what Apple has is in use). I think they have said it's only about $100,000 of developer time (so maybe 2-3 months of work), but the infrastructure that would be necessary for the work to be done in a way that doesn…

Can you make up some more facts about Apple's real estate situation and software methodology?

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/technology/apple-iphone-fbi-...

Re: Microsoft, Google, Facebook Back Apple in Blocked Phone Case

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Post by nathan_long »

GnarfGnarf wrote: post #198

The whole Apple/FBI fracas is about promoting smartphones as the centre of our universe: the confluence of medical, financial, and all other personal information. If Apple can convince us that smartphones are secure, there are lucrative opportunities for smartphone technology to become ubiquitous and pervasive in our lives. Unfortunately, it will always be necessary for law enforcement to have access to bad guys' stu…

> The Fourth Amendment guarantees your privacy, but police can break down your door and seize your financial and medical records if they have reasonable grounds to suspect you. Why should your smartphone be different?

One problem with this analogy is that the police don't mandate that everyone's door be easy to break down and thereby make all houses easier to burglarize. Another is that you know when someone has broken down your door.

If phones must have back doors, those back doors will become known to others besides the US Government. Imagine if every time you traveled abroad, you knew that airport security could take your phone and get all the data on it, or maybe add malware.

> If you don't trust your smartphone to be impregnable, then guess what? Don't put your medical & financial info on your smartphone. There was an epoch when we actually did banking & medicine without smartphones.

You can say the same thing about laptops, or even paper files. "You're not allowed to take effective security measures to protect your info because we might want it" is a bad policy.

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