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I wish we would stop praising or making light of sleep deprivation. We need to stop thinking that sleeping a lot is a sign of laziness.

Some universities (cough *MIT cough) have a habit of saying "sleep is for the weak" and that part of their culture needs to change.

Engineering schools still have the bones of being military academies. Selecting for people who don't need a lot of sleep is important to militaries.

MIT, unlike say, Texas A&M, was founded as a polytechnic and not as an explicit military academy but I'd bet there's still some of that orientation in its DNA.

Re: MentalHealthError: an exception occurred

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I was tased :(

How did that happen? And what if anything do you now think about the permissive attitude of some people toward tazing? E.g. did you find any lasting effects? By the way, hi. I enjoyed your talk at PyConSG a little before this all happened.

It was extremely traumatizing. I felt electric shocks and tingles in my body for a week afterwards (that may have been unrelated), and had massive anxiety around electric-sounding noises, like cicadas.

It would probably be less traumatizing to a person in a normal state of mind, but I'm not certain. It was absolutely terrifying.

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This is an interesting read on the difference of views between the Western and African views of 'mental illness' from an African (Witch) Doctor after visiting some western mental hospitals: http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/08/22/shaman-sees-mental-hospital/ tl;dr: Most of what we view as mental illness they view as the birth or awakening of a 'healer' and should be treated that way for proper acceptance of the person…

Yeah, I read that article a lot.

And what was your conclusion on it, now that you had an experience and came out of it safe and sound? I don't have any serious mental issues, but the thought of having any and the stigma around them honestly terrifies me. (And reading stories like yours does the opposite) And so while I'm not behind the woo woo of the article, I do like the gentler approach to treating the ill.

If you're mentally ill, "oh weird, that's happening to me" seems like a better state of mind to be in than to be terrified, ashamed and dealing with the petty indignities of being a patient at a clinic. Though I guess modern mental health clinics are much more human than they used to be. Thoughts?

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Kudos to the author for this article; it takes real courage to write something like this, and it will undoubtedly help many in similar places.

I'm inclined towards Buddhism and other spiritual weirdness as well, but I recognize (and I hope that this article helps teach others) that this sort of fun wisdom often comes at the expense of groundedness. There is much to be said for being somewhat ungrounded- see every great leader and thinker that was criticized in his or her time for being an out-of-touch idealist, or their era's equivalent invective- but one can also find oneself losing many of the "common sense" reference points that are important for dealing with day-to-day existence. Human minds are messy things, and often generate absurd notions that we all, mostly subconsciously, squash simply because they violate our ideas about who we are and how the world works. Be "open" enough to take in radical new spiritual ideas, and you're also open enough to take in a great deal of fuzz.

This sort of openness doesn't need to take the form of metaphysical "woo" (see, for instance, conspiracy theorists), but the belief that we're animals living in a physical world is a useful one, since it lets us easily declare invalid a large range of potentially harmful beliefs. Perhaps its untrue, but while our human urge to take nothing for granted is noble, it can easily land us in trouble.

The "hacker" crowd is, stereotypically, full of bright individuals who like to take nothing for granted, so I wouldn't be surprised if Reitz's story represents a fairly common narrative. There's an interesting parallel; for spiritual seekers, just like startup founders, its crucial to learn how to balance oversized ambitions with the necessities of mere human existence- and to rein themselves in, or even to give up the chase, when the latter becomes seriously threatened.

Re: MentalHealthError: an exception occurred

#125

Eerily similar to this recent story from This American Life, which unfortunately has a less happy ending: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/579/m... TL;DL: Man goes into a manic state, checks himself into a hospital, and gets shot by police.

I was tased :(

Remember kids, paranoia on your part is a mental disorder, whereas paranoia on a cop's part is "reasonable use of force".

Re: MentalHealthError: an exception occurred

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I already hold Kenneth in great esteem because of his work on Requests and Clint, both of which I make use of and admire.

This post amplifies my respect for him as a human being.

I welcome posts like this (and there seem to have been quite a few recently) because I really want to be able to talk openly about mental health to gain clarity and understanding.

I am particularly interested in issues around arousal, focus and mania, since these affect our profession so profoundly. (I wonder how many of us in this forum owe our professional skill and aptitude to a predisposition towards hypomania and intense focus).

It feels like our society is moving in a positive direction here -- a move which I applaud and welcome.

The mind is powerful, wonderful and strange, and we need to treat it with respect and understanding -- something that can only come about by being open and honest.

Re: MentalHealthError: an exception occurred

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You don't know that.

The paper that I cited is just one of dozens if not hundreds of studies on the heritability of the diseases. The evidence is overwhelming. Anecdotally, almost everyone I know with serious mental illness has at least one family member who does too.

The statement that 'Bipolar disorder and schizophrenia (the main causes of psychosis) are genetic, not caused by "spiritual crisis"' is not backed by the results of the paper.

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I am saddened that after reading stories like this one, people remain skeptical of fortifying water with Lithium. A study from the 90s [1] found that rates of violent crime and suicide was much lower in Texas counties with naturally occuring Lithium in their water, as opposed to demographically identical ones with less. Lithium is an element that is implicated in Bipolar Disorder and appears to affect critical brain…

This is such a bad idea. Lithium has horrible side effects. It's mechanism is to dampen transmission throughout your entire nervous system. We don't know how it works exactly but we think it occupies some of the bandwidth through sodium ion transport channels (Li and Na are similar ions). Anyway. We don't want an entire population on this.

I think you perceived this in the context of the medication Lithium, of which I am familiar and have close friends who take it, as opposed to the element. My understanding is that in the Texas study, quantities http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19407280

Re: MentalHealthError: an exception occurred

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You don't know that.

Given that link, you now both know it. You, however, choose not to believe it.

I do believe in the facts reported by that link (although I don't blame people who don't, scientists in general are not trustworthy). I didn't say that.

Re: MentalHealthError: an exception occurred

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I am saddened that after reading stories like this one, people remain skeptical of fortifying water with Lithium. A study from the 90s [1] found that rates of violent crime and suicide was much lower in Texas counties with naturally occuring Lithium in their water, as opposed to demographically identical ones with less. Lithium is an element that is implicated in Bipolar Disorder and appears to affect critical brain…

The spiritual community believes that fluorinated water is toxic and damaging to the brain, causing calcification to the pineal gland (the third eye, source of DMT, the spirit molecule), suppressing the innate psychic abilities and spiritual advancement of the masses. Believe it or not, this is a tremendously large portion of the population.

I find it fascinating how many medical "problems" we (Western medicine) have that are perceived differently by other cultures and faiths. I do believe what you say. Presumably Lithium deficiency is something which does not serve ones ability to contribute to our modern economy as much and therefore is seen as being a negative.
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