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Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Post by rbanffy »

simmons wrote: post #44

I'm a little disappointed that (from a brief glance at the documents) it doesn't appear to support the 5 Ghz Wi-Fi band. I wonder if it's a power issue, or just limited space on the PCB. The 2.4 Ghz band gets kind of crowded in dense urban environments.

Same here. I moved the AppleTV and the Roku to a wired connection and had to set up a second wireless network to be able to browse from the kitchen. Any time I fire up Wifi Analyzer on my tablet I see three dozen different networks.

Making computers easy to use was, definitely, a huge mistake.

Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Post by thenomad »

ekianjo wrote: post #184
nkrisc wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think some of that has to do with the fact that a lot of those older games aren't really as fun as we remembered them to be. There's some classic gems, to be sure, but they were also all we had.

> There's some classic gems, to be sure, but they were also all we had. Some stuff has aged, but some of the best games are in the past and have never been "reached" by any newer game. Ultima 7 is an example of such games - there's just nothing that comes close to it even in modern RPGs. For 2D platforms the best was made in the past again. All the newer Mario games are either too easy or uninspired, or both. There's…

I'd argue that whilst very different in philosophy, The Witcher 3 is about the closest we've come to Ultima VII since it was released.

You might also find Age Of Decadence interesting - it's a super-indie made over a decade or so by a very, very dedicated team. I've not played it and I understand it's flawed, but it looks to be reaching for the same kind of freedom as Ultima VII.

Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Post by fit2rule »

rb808 wrote: post #82
_lce0 wrote: post #4

Raspberry is the most important project that made my family interested in "computer things" It gathered the whole family together to play old couch-games[0], something that most powerful consoles haven't even been close --specially with the grampas Really exited about what the future will bring us! 0: http://emulationstation.org/

I must be the only one disappointed with old-school games. I was super excited to set up a retropie, after 20 minutes playing the nostalgia wore off quickly. Anyone else find the same?

I have thoroughly enjoyed exploring the old 8-bit days with my kids - but yeah, the games are pretty boring after 10 minutes.

That said! There are tons of great gems in the old archives.. you've got to find them .. we could play Chucky Egg for days on end in our household .. but we definitely had to search to find it ..

One thing you shouldn't discount is the idea of giving your kids access to the 8-bit machines to learn how to program them. This has been immensely valuable to our 8 and 5 year olds' .. they play crap games, but then right away can get access to the code, understand what it does, and learn from it. My 8-year old spends more time reading code (BASIC) than playing games now .. and that is a delight to see.

Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Post by jeromeparadis »

rb808 wrote: post #82
_lce0 wrote: post #4

Raspberry is the most important project that made my family interested in "computer things" It gathered the whole family together to play old couch-games[0], something that most powerful consoles haven't even been close --specially with the grampas Really exited about what the future will bring us! 0: http://emulationstation.org/

I must be the only one disappointed with old-school games. I was super excited to set up a retropie, after 20 minutes playing the nostalgia wore off quickly. Anyone else find the same?

It must be due to the fact it is not the original hardware with the same controllers, etc. That's one thing that goes against the nostalgia feeling (other than bad games).

For example, when I see an original arcade machine (of an excellent game), I cannot not play it.

Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Post by vdfs »

mrpippy wrote: post #13

Given Broadcom's connections to the project, it's almost a surprise they didn't have some kind of Broadcom option for WiFi/BT earlier. Must have stung at Broadcom to be powering the most popular hobbyist ARM Linux board, but almost every one using WiFi powered by Realtek,Ralink,etc.

Looks like it's using a broadcom WiFi & Bluetooth chip: http://i.imgur.com/exuZy58.jpg

Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Post by keenerd »

simmons wrote: post #44

I'm a little disappointed that (from a brief glance at the documents) it doesn't appear to support the 5 Ghz Wi-Fi band. I wonder if it's a power issue, or just limited space on the PCB. The 2.4 Ghz band gets kind of crowded in dense urban environments.

Probably a cost saving measure. The entire board feels like it was put together to tick off a bunch of features. 64 bit quad core with bluetooth and wifi? Check. Meanwhile the clock is still a measly 1.2GHz, the wifi is only 2.4GHz, the ethernet is still 100Mb and the chipset is still broadcom. They are struggling to stay relevant. (Remember, it was only 1.5 years ago that their official word was "No RPi2 until 2017".)

The Odroid C2 goes on sale in a few days for $40. It's got a 64 bit quad core CPU (just* like the Pine and RPi3) but clocked at 2GHz. And has real gigabit. And has twice as much ram. And can drive a 4k screen comfortably. (Video-out was the one place where the RPi has traditionally excelled.)

* Okay, not entirely just like. It's an Amlogic chip instead of Broadcom or Allwinner. Amlogic is one of the few without blatant GPL abuse.

Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Post by vidarh »

fit2rule wrote: post #193
rb808 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must be the only one disappointed with old-school games. I was super excited to set up a retropie, after 20 minutes playing the nostalgia wore off quickly. Anyone else find the same?

I have thoroughly enjoyed exploring the old 8-bit days with my kids - but yeah, the games are pretty boring after 10 minutes. That said! There are tons of great gems in the old archives.. you've got to find them .. we could play Chucky Egg for days on end in our household .. but we definitely had to search to find it .. One thing you shouldn't discount is the idea of giving your kids access to the 8-bit machines to l…

> but yeah, the games are pretty boring after 10 minutes.

But most of them were even back in the day. When playing C64 games with friends back in the day, we'd spend almost as much time figuring out what games to play and loading different games as we did playing.

Some games we'd play for ages, but many were 10-minute entertainment at the time.

And others we'd play for ages only to suddenly stop when they got out of the sweet spot in terms of challenge (e.g. Commando and Tapper were two of my favorite C64 games for a long time, but in both cases they had fixed points for bonus lives and once you got to a certain skill level you could basically play "forever", just cycling through the same few levels over and over while accumulating lives, and suddenly they were no fun any more)

Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Post by nocman »

increment_i wrote: post #124
rb808 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must be the only one disappointed with old-school games. I was super excited to set up a retropie, after 20 minutes playing the nostalgia wore off quickly. Anyone else find the same?

Nostalgia is a powerful emotion. People always remember the truly great games but seldom remember the countless bargain bin cartridges they popped out as a kid after muttering to themselves, "Wow, that sucked."

Well, you know what they say, "Nostalgia ain't what it used to be".

:-D

Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Post by usrusr »

rhizome wrote: post #175
andrepd wrote: post #160

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A 31 year old game I feel qualifies as "old". What is old, then, pong on an oscilloscope? :p

Sure, Moon Lander. Original Sprint. The dragster one. 31 years ago was at about the end of the Golden Age of video games.

The golden age ends roughly 16 years after the birth of the observer.

Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Post by Nexxxeh »

syberphunk wrote: post #69
forinti wrote: post #7

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I'm still waiting for a Zero. A Zero with onboard Wifi would be brilliant: really small, needs little power, and you don't need to hook it up to anything but the power supply.

You're going to be waiting a long time.

Not necessarily. I picked one up about a week ago, I guess? Impulse purchase.

Keep an eye on etailers that won't back-order, and just nab one when they come into stock. There's a stampede, but it's then luck of the draw.

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