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Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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Re: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B confirmed, with onboard BT LE and WiFi

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I must be the only one disappointed with old-school games. I was super excited to set up a retropie, after 20 minutes playing the nostalgia wore off quickly. Anyone else find the same?

I think some of that has to do with the fact that a lot of those older games aren't really as fun as we remembered them to be. There's some classic gems, to be sure, but they were also all we had.

The bigger underlying problem is that we associate those games with happy periods of our lives. The once where we could play games, do projects and not worry about anything else.

By playing an old school game, your brain extracts these happy feelings from the memory. However, it's not a sustainable source of "fun" per say. As opposed to the newer games where "fun" is being caused by the game directly.

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Comparing the photos to my Pi 2, it doesn't seem very different. There's an extra IC near the microsd card, a connector beneath the HDMI port, and a few other small changes. But nothing that looks like an antenna. Any idea where that might be? Edit: as lovelearning pointed out, there is a small ceramic-looking piece in the upper-left of the top side, near the GPIO pins and LVDS display connector. That might be it.

That is it, and the connector beneath the HDMI port is the same (but mounted) JTAG connector as the RPi2. I don't know what is the chip, though. Also noticed a 2-pin header between the 40-pin one and the upper USB ones: it looks like the "RUN" from the Rpi Zero. EDIT: The 2-pin "RUN" header already existed on the RPi2, where the ceramic antenna is now located on the RPi3.

There is a big Diode D5 near the micro-USB power connector.

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Raspberry is the most important project that made my family interested in "computer things" It gathered the whole family together to play old couch-games[0], something that most powerful consoles haven't even been close --specially with the grampas Really exited about what the future will bring us! 0: http://emulationstation.org/

I must be the only one disappointed with old-school games. I was super excited to set up a retropie, after 20 minutes playing the nostalgia wore off quickly. Anyone else find the same?

I dunno. I just set up DreamSNES for my son the other day and he played Metroid until we basically had to threaten to burn all of his toys just so he would put down the controller. But yeah, I guess speaking of myself there's not a lot of lasting interest there.

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Raspberry is the most important project that made my family interested in "computer things" It gathered the whole family together to play old couch-games[0], something that most powerful consoles haven't even been close --specially with the grampas Really exited about what the future will bring us! 0: http://emulationstation.org/

I must be the only one disappointed with old-school games. I was super excited to set up a retropie, after 20 minutes playing the nostalgia wore off quickly. Anyone else find the same?

I've found that they are great fun to play with groups of people, particularly when it is a group of people that remember playing the games when they were new.

I, like you, have been mostly disappointed when it comes to playing them alone.

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Raspberry is the most important project that made my family interested in "computer things" It gathered the whole family together to play old couch-games[0], something that most powerful consoles haven't even been close --specially with the grampas Really exited about what the future will bring us! 0: http://emulationstation.org/

I must be the only one disappointed with old-school games. I was super excited to set up a retropie, after 20 minutes playing the nostalgia wore off quickly. Anyone else find the same?

Taking turns with my son, playing Super Mario World on my RPI2 with Lakka is every bit as much fun as playing that game originally.

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Why does Raspberry Pi not need to conform to the new "standards" of the FCC that require locking down firmware in routers? If it has onboard wifi, and you can turn it into a router... what's the difference between someone installing OpenWRT on a raspi vs. installing OpenWRT on a TPLink? edit: This is a legitimate question, not an opinion.

Okay, first a bit of background on the wifi ruling. The WiFi issue is because the 5ghz WiFi band has some rather sensitive pre-existing operations, like weather radar, that are intermingled in some of the channels given for WiFi usage. There are a lot of times and places where such items aren't in use and can be used as additional wifi channels, but when there is a need, those channels need to be vacated and not considered usable for at least a half hour after receiving a signal. However, there were a lot of companies that weren't upholding their end of the bargain, so the FCC put in more stringent testing requirements, including ensuring that the radio cannot transmit where and when it's not supposed to. Because of this, most companies just took the easy way out and locked down the whole router, instead of putting the wifi chipset's control software in ROM or some other way of locking down the firmware.

Now, the Pi 3 does not talk on the 5ghz band at all, so even in Soft-AP mode, it's not capable of even coming close to violating the rules. Other desktop chipsets that can run in the 5ghz band have programming to not allow them to be APs in the 5ghz band, again steering clear of those rules. The 5ghz ruling is complicated because there's a lot of issues that tend to be glossed over in articles about it, which just muddy the waters.

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I also want USB slave/device/OTG. I've been running a BeagleBoneBlack which does have it.

Pi Zero has OTG, but only one USB port total.

Yep! Here's some resources for anyone curious:

[1] http://blog.gbaman.info/?p=699 [2] https://learn.adafruit.com/turning-your-raspberry-pi-zero-in...

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The Raspberry Pi website says they're unlikely to have a new version in the next few years. Do they have FCC now? Maybe they just want to add on the radio modules. From the FAQ: > there are no immediate plans to release any more new models. A further new model may be released in 2-3 years, but this is not a firm schedule. https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#generalFuture

Saying you've got an awesome product around the corner is a good way of causing the Osborne Effect [1]. Also, plans can and do change. It could very well be an issue where they weren't planning on it, but the people at Broadcom came up with an offer that was too good to pass up. Plans can and do change.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

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But you can get almost any wireless ability and keep modern with whatever standard changes by simply using a usb stick. They are super tiny now and barely stick out of the usb port. Why hardwire wireless and outdate a board a few years later? I think in 5 years we got g -> n -> 5ghz -> ac and three bluetooth variants. Now there is indoor lte and other stuff coming.

You can still add on any wireless-usb you want. And for a $35 computer, upgrading to a newer model probably won't be much of an issue.

I personally like this, as it cuts my initial setup-time/cost.

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