Play nice - How the internet is trying to design out toxic behaviour
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Re: Play nice - How the internet is trying to design out toxic behaviour
#2Censoring the internet, what could go wrong?
Re: Play nice - How the internet is trying to design out toxic behaviour
#3I had considered a much longer criticism of this article, but I soon realized that there was no sense in complaining about a service which is no longer "ours." The internet of today (Internet 2.x), is little more than an advertising space, a vehicle through which users mistakenly approach as an encyclopedia housing the world's information, while in actuality, the user is product.
So I'll just touch on one point instead: Humor
> "But Mrgan insists it hasn’t led to sterile, sanitised comments. “People are still making jokes, being a little bit snarky, getting really opinionated,” she says. “The personal attacks, name-calling and abuse have gone, but the same feel has really stayed.”"
Has Mrgan ever been to Reddit, the site so bold as to deem itself "The Front Page of the Internet" before? I absolutely disagree with her insistence. While the information is often great in some specialty areas, the humor is completely dry, overly snarky, and most users appear (caveat: IMO) to be treading on eggshells in avoidance of "Being downvoted" and having their comment hidden from the world.
If you were to go to a standup comedy show, you would see a _plethora_ of philosophically different types of humor. Deprecating humor, Self-deprecating humor, sarcasm, parody, allegorical comedy, etc. etc.
The "new internet" is in the process of filtering out most of this. To repeat my caveat, this is all my opinion, but a sterile Internet very quickly only reduces itself to plain sarcasm and snark, and honestly, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
Back in the "good old days" During the 90's and the 00's, the onus was on the user his-or-herself to ignore and filter out toxic behavior. And it's a shame I'm saying this in my 20s.
Re: Play nice - How the internet is trying to design out toxic behaviour
#4Censoring the internet, what could go wrong?
So unics, how would you rate your own comment in terms of civility? Say 1..5, least to most.
I'd rate it 4 for civility, 1 for quality of argument, then downvote you since you haven't read the article.
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Re: Play nice - How the internet is trying to design out toxic behaviour
#6I had considered a much longer criticism of this article, but I soon realized that there was no sense in complaining about a service which is no longer " ours ." The internet of today (Internet 2.x), is little more than an advertising space , a vehicle through which users mistakenly approach as an encyclopedia housing the world's information, while in actuality, the user is product. So I'll just touch on one point in…
Why are we jumping to the conclusion that the whole internet would follow the same rules though? I imagine some sites would want to cultivate certain kinds of humor (it might allow abuse, but at least not everyone's walking on eggshells), and others don't (and would rather enforce some rules in the hopes of cultivating an abuse-minimized environment).
Why wouldn't each individual service be able to make its own tradeoffs? Then users would vote with their feet and hangout in the places they like best anyway..
> Back in the "good old days" During the 90's and the 00's, the onus was on the user his-or-herself to ignore and filter out toxic behavior. And it's a shame I'm saying this in my 20s.
Back in the day they had to close their eyes and ignore. Now in the day they craft software that ignores and filters out toxic behavior before it even gets to their eyes. ;) You think we're regressing?
Re: Play nice - How the internet is trying to design out toxic behaviour
#7I had considered a much longer criticism of this article, but I soon realized that there was no sense in complaining about a service which is no longer " ours ." The internet of today (Internet 2.x), is little more than an advertising space , a vehicle through which users mistakenly approach as an encyclopedia housing the world's information, while in actuality, the user is product. So I'll just touch on one point in…
"Has Mrgan ever been to Reddit, the site so bold as to deem itself..."
Mrgan's claim was not about Reddit. It was about a distinct moderation structure.
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#8Censoring the internet, what could go wrong?
So unics, how would you rate your own comment in terms of civility? Say 1..5, least to most. I'd rate it 4 for civility, 1 for quality of argument, then downvote you since you haven't read the article.
Well done thex10! If you don't mind I'll share my rating of your comment-
5 for reading the article, 4.317 for argument.
m'lord
Re: Play nice - How the internet is trying to design out toxic behaviour
#9I had considered a much longer criticism of this article, but I soon realized that there was no sense in complaining about a service which is no longer " ours ." The internet of today (Internet 2.x), is little more than an advertising space , a vehicle through which users mistakenly approach as an encyclopedia housing the world's information, while in actuality, the user is product. So I'll just touch on one point in…
"Has Mrgan ever been to Reddit, the site so bold as to deem itself..." Mrgan's claim was not about Reddit. It was about a distinct moderation structure.
A valid point, but I'd argue Reddit was a better example of a distinct moderation structure than the example she actually did provide, Facebook.
Facebook AFAIK requires you to report posts that you disagree with, while Reddit's moderation structure lies in it's own userbase. Save for technical subfora, dissident opinions are quickly downvoted into oblivion.
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#10Ugh, that's what I get for reading a Guardian article, little substance, an insult to liberals (or North-American libertarians), and finally a safe space for third-wave feminists, never mind that they have now become the dominant group in the media and are constantly shutting down anyone with a different of opinion.
Shame on me for clicking that link.