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Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Re: Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Post by mturmon »

sandworm101 wrote: post #9

>> The county told NBC4 if Lucas had filled out the permit application, the owner could have learned about the shoot before he filmed there. Lol. The data on a form filed for a porn shoot at a particular location will not find its way into the hands of someone renting on airbnb. I'd be surprised if they are even digital. With due respect to homeowners, this is what happens if you rent your property. People will be ha…

"Lol. The data on a form filed for a porn shoot at a particular location will not find its way into the hands of someone renting on airbnb."

Hmm, if I understand you correctly, you are mistaken. If the permit is filed, the homeowner and the nearby homeowners will get paper notices taped to their doors a couple of days before the shoot (like this: http://www.wehodaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/filming-...). The property owner would see the notice, and neighbors push back against nearby filming here all the time, even if the property owner does not see the notice.

And also: commercial users of your property for shoots treat it much differently than casual travel users will. There will be a big crew, they will have bulky/heavy equipment, they will be focused on getting a job done and they won't care about dinging up your walls, etc., in the process. A week later, you will discover something broken.

Many people who let their home be used for shoots are in the industry (so they have built-in sympathy for the workers), or they are insensitive to damage because they are being paid a hefty fee, or they pay a specialist to manage their property during the shoot. They can do this because they will be paid several thousand dollars per day for the use of their home. The AirBnB rental fee would not approach this.

Re: Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Post by chimeracoder »

sandworm101 wrote: post #9

>> The county told NBC4 if Lucas had filled out the permit application, the owner could have learned about the shoot before he filmed there. Lol. The data on a form filed for a porn shoot at a particular location will not find its way into the hands of someone renting on airbnb. I'd be surprised if they are even digital. With due respect to homeowners, this is what happens if you rent your property. People will be ha…

> People will be having sex in your house even without the cameras. That's what people do.

Without getting too graphic, there's a HUGE difference between people having sex for fun and a professional porn shoot.

The latter is messy, smelly, and causes a surprising amount of lasting damage. There's a reason that so many porn studios film in hotels (and likewise, a reason that so many hotels refuse to rent rooms to people that they suspect will be filming there).

I won't go into details on HN because it's not really the venue, but let's just say this: if you knew what being "on site" at a porn shoot really looked, sounded, and smelled like, you'd never want to watch porn again[0].

(And we're not talking about an amateur porn shoot where people just film their "normal" sex on a webcam, either - Michael Lucas literally holds the world record for the most expensive gay porn film ever made[1]).

[0] Source: good friend of mine was in the industry for a while (behind the camera, not in front).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lucas'_La_Dolce_Vita

Re: Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Post by digler999 »

benten10 wrote: post #13

The money-quote for me was: >>"When you force the industry from a well-equipped infrastructure like the Valley, with not only traditional sound stages, but a large number of easily rented homes where adult filming is permitted and encouraged, and push it to the margins, and to area and locations where people are not aware that adult film is being shot, you're seeing the beginning of an industry moving underground." A…

corporations dont have to follow the rules. why should anyone else ?

Re: Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Post by x0x0 »

fweespeech wrote: post #26
benten10 wrote: post #13

The money-quote for me was: >>"When you force the industry from a well-equipped infrastructure like the Valley, with not only traditional sound stages, but a large number of easily rented homes where adult filming is permitted and encouraged, and push it to the margins, and to area and locations where people are not aware that adult film is being shot, you're seeing the beginning of an industry moving underground." A…

In this case, its more prohibition of a critical component of the porn industry [ no condom shoots ] that was necessary for them to be economically viable.

lots of industries are more "viable" (profitable) if you allow them to kill workers

Re: Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Post by rdancer »

sp332 wrote: post #31
huac wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airbnb prohibits commercial videos/photos without permission, according to the article.

But what recourse does the homeowner have in that case? And being banned from AirBNB is not really a huge deterrent. Making the behavior illegal would give you more options if it happens to you, and might really make someone think twice.

The contract could have fines for breaking this rule, or the property owner could require guests to agree to a fine in an additional contract on top of the standard terms.

But the company has historically never had qualms about screwing their customers over, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Re: Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Post by jdminhbg »

sp332 wrote: post #31
huac wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airbnb prohibits commercial videos/photos without permission, according to the article.

But what recourse does the homeowner have in that case? And being banned from AirBNB is not really a huge deterrent. Making the behavior illegal would give you more options if it happens to you, and might really make someone think twice.

Presumably having broken the terms of the agreement, you'd be able to sue them for any damages.

Re: Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Post by micwawa »

AznHisoka wrote: post #12
sandworm101 wrote: post #9

>> The county told NBC4 if Lucas had filled out the permit application, the owner could have learned about the shoot before he filmed there. Lol. The data on a form filed for a porn shoot at a particular location will not find its way into the hands of someone renting on airbnb. I'd be surprised if they are even digital. With due respect to homeowners, this is what happens if you rent your property. People will be ha…

I agree. Don't want this to happen? Easy, don't rent your home out. Renting your home out comes with risks, and you do get rewarded for that risk, but there's still risks. Nobody is forcing you to rent it out.

Tell Mrs. Patmore that.

Re: Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Post by vkou »

huac wrote: post #25
sp332 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not required to take every risk with no recourse. A renter might steal from you or leave a spy camera behind, but that's illegal. We could certainly make it illegal to shoot commercial video on someone else's property without their permission.

Airbnb prohibits commercial videos/photos without permission, according to the article.

And most landlords and cities prohibit AirBnB-style rentals, but that has never stopped AirBnB.

Re: Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Post by kbenson »

mturmon wrote: post #41
sandworm101 wrote: post #9

>> The county told NBC4 if Lucas had filled out the permit application, the owner could have learned about the shoot before he filmed there. Lol. The data on a form filed for a porn shoot at a particular location will not find its way into the hands of someone renting on airbnb. I'd be surprised if they are even digital. With due respect to homeowners, this is what happens if you rent your property. People will be ha…

"Lol. The data on a form filed for a porn shoot at a particular location will not find its way into the hands of someone renting on airbnb." Hmm, if I understand you correctly, you are mistaken. If the permit is filed, the homeowner and the nearby homeowners will get paper notices taped to their doors a couple of days before the shoot (like this: http://www.wehodaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/filming-... ). The…

> commercial users of your property for shoots treat it much differently than casual travel users will. There will be a big crew, they will have bulky/heavy equipment, they will be focused on getting a job done and they won't care about dinging up your walls, etc., in the process. A week later, you will discover something broken.

I imagine it's likely to be used as a location for some "reality" porn series (which are about as real as the average reality TV show). I can't imagine that requiring a lot of equipment or personnel.

Re: Porn Industry Using Airbnb Rentals as Film Sets

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Post by dragonwriter »

rdancer wrote: post #45
sp332 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what recourse does the homeowner have in that case? And being banned from AirBNB is not really a huge deterrent. Making the behavior illegal would give you more options if it happens to you, and might really make someone think twice.

The contract could have fines for breaking this rule, or the property owner could require guests to agree to a fine in an additional contract on top of the standard terms. But the company has historically never had qualms about screwing their customers over, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

> The contract could have fines for breaking this rule

It might have a liquidated damages clause if the use of and stipulated amount of liquidated damages was such as to be found reasonable for the type of breach it covers; otherwise, a "fine" in a contract is generally an unenforceable penalty clause.

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