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Turn $5 steak to $50 steak with salt

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Re: Turn $5 steak to $50 steak with salt

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I tried this once -- it was very salty, which I don't mind, but it was nothing special as far as tenderness.

Seconded. I salted a one-inch-thick steak about an hour ahead of grill time, with a rinse and pat-dry just before grilling. It still tasted too salty. Furthermore, even with 5-10 minutes' rest time after grilling, the steak still lost too much juice upon cutting.

This method works: Preheat grill to 500 deg F. Lightly salt and pepper the steak just before grilling. Grill for 4 minutes per side per inch of thickness. Remove, call the guests in, and serve. Yum.

Re: Turn $5 steak to $50 steak with salt

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AFAIK, there are only 4 cattle slaughterhouses in PA: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/downloads/slaughter_... Only one of the 4 is not owned by Cargill or JBS. Unless your beef vendor is taking delivery on whole carcasses and then packing it themselves, the beef is probably packed at the slaughterhouse, as well.

I haven't looked into buying local beef (I'm in Chicago and have good sources for high-quality beef), but I have done the legwork on pork, and all of the farms I can order from outsource "processing" and add a couple bucks per pound to the cost of the meat to cover it. I don't think slaughterhouse ownership is any kind of smoking gun.

I live in Chicago. What are your sources of high-quality beef?

Re: Turn $5 steak to $50 steak with salt

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't looked into buying local beef (I'm in Chicago and have good sources for high-quality beef), but I have done the legwork on pork, and all of the farms I can order from outsource "processing" and add a couple bucks per pound to the cost of the meat to cover it. I don't think slaughterhouse ownership is any kind of smoking gun.

I live in Chicago. What are your sources of high-quality beef?

Fox & Obel, Paulina - first two that come to mind.

Re: Turn $5 steak to $50 steak with salt

#64
post #7

I've tried this a couple of times. It's nothing special. Your better off finding locally sourced fresh meat - it's usually as cheap and you will be able to find one you like. (also, incidentally, I'd say a good steak is as much about taste as texture. This sorta sacrifices one for the other)

You're right on about taste vs texture. Often times the tenderness/texture is inversely proportional to the flavor in steaks. Which is why you see many menus placing something like blue cheese on top of beef tenderloin.

However, the "freshness" of beef is in interesting topic. When a cow is slaughtered it is bled and hung in a cooler for about a week. At this point it is usually cut up into primal cuts or sub-primal cuts, sealed in cryovac and sent to the store. At wholesale clubs you can usually buy these whole sub-primals in cryovac. In a normal store the "butcher's" simply cut up the sub-primals into normal size and sell them. The people who work the meat counter in the typical store are simply meat cutters and no longer butchers in the true sense.

Some restaurants keep their meat in the cryovac for extended periods of time and they call this "aging" which is technically called "wet aging". And vastly inferior to dry aging. Dry aging is simply leaving a sub-primal in a temperature appropriate room for an extended period to allow bacteria to break down the meat and moisture to evaporate, thus increasing flavor.

Freshness in terms of beef really means "never frozen". If you freeze beef (or any protein really) then ice crystals form and cause damage to the cellular structure of the meat. This means that juices from the meat will simply exit the meat and never return, no matter how long your rest the meat after cooking.

Re: Turn $5 steak to $50 steak with salt

#65
post #52

Water dissolves salt, and some of it gets sucked back into meat via osmosis WTF is wrong with people and osmosis? This is diffusion. Osmosis is diffusion of water and nothing else. Also, "table salt tastes like shit" is quite true. I've been buying an unrefined sea salt for a while now, the difference is incredible . Flavor in foods, where before was mere saltiness.

Cut her some slack. She did confess to sleeping through chemistry and otherwise wrote and illustrated a good article, while pounding bourbon.

Re: Turn $5 steak to $50 steak with salt

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A great way to cook a steak if you have good ventilation is to use a cast iron skillet and heat the skillet in an oven to 500 degrees. Brush the steak with olive oil ahead of time, and make sure it is room temperature (not fridge temperature). Pull the skillet out of the oven, put it on the stove. Turn the burner up on the stove, and cook the steak for 30 seconds on each side, then put the entire skillet back in the…

Your instructions provide a perfectly reasonable way to cook a steak, but the theory on searing locking in juices has been proven false (see Good Eats or America's Test Kitchen). The purpose of searing steak is to invoke the Maillard Reaction which dramatically increases flavor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction

The step he's missing is resting the protein after it's cooked; over 15 minutes, the juices redistribute themselves throughout the meat.

Here's a fun article on cooking beef: Bob del Grosso, from the Culinary Institute, losing his shit over how Mark Bittman writes up his technique for the NYTimes:

http://ahungerartist.bobdelgrosso.com/2010/01/minimalist-of-...

Re: Turn $5 steak to $50 steak with salt

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post #52

Water dissolves salt, and some of it gets sucked back into meat via osmosis WTF is wrong with people and osmosis? This is diffusion. Osmosis is diffusion of water and nothing else. Also, "table salt tastes like shit" is quite true. I've been buying an unrefined sea salt for a while now, the difference is incredible . Flavor in foods, where before was mere saltiness.

Cut her some slack. She did confess to sleeping through chemistry and otherwise wrote and illustrated a good article, while pounding bourbon.

It's not the article writer in particular, the article is basically fine in other respects, it's people in general. I see far more people using "osmosis" more often than "diffusion", despite almost never using it correctly.

For example, those "Learning through osmosis" signs in libraries, articles, shirts, etc. absolutely abound. It clearly isn't working if you think that's osmosis. Or there are tons of services with quotes like this: http://www.languagetutoring.co.uk/LearningThroughOsmosis.htm...

Evidently they aren't tutoring science.

Osmosis vs diffusion is not difficult to understand. It just seems people use it to sound smarter, and thus fail miserably 99% of the time.

Re: Turn $5 steak to $50 steak with salt

#68
post #46

Liberally salting your steak is a fine idea, but where is this person finding choice ribeye for $5? Choice isn't "cheap". The $15/lb ribeye at Whole Foods is choice, as is pretty much every other steak you buy outside a specialty store. There's nothing at all wrong with it. This article never gets specific, but I get the impression the author doesn't really know what "prime" means: how well marbled the cut is with fa…

I usually just put a liberal coating of garlic salt on and grill at a low temperature, rotating every 2 minutes or so until the meat looks visibly moist. Turn the heat up to high at the end for the final 2 rotations and done. I've had people fly cross-country (twice) for these steaks and it's really not all that hard. But it makes for an expensive summer season with lots of entertaining on my deck. One guy was mystif…

I cook steak in a vacuum-sealed bag submerged in a water bath held with a PID controller at precisely 131f, then sear them in a cast iron pan with just-barely-smoking peanut oil for about 30 seconds a side. Nobody has flown cross-country for my cooking, but the Chicago HN'ers should do a dinner sometime.

Re: Turn $5 steak to $50 steak with salt

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post #52

Water dissolves salt, and some of it gets sucked back into meat via osmosis WTF is wrong with people and osmosis? This is diffusion. Osmosis is diffusion of water and nothing else. Also, "table salt tastes like shit" is quite true. I've been buying an unrefined sea salt for a while now, the difference is incredible . Flavor in foods, where before was mere saltiness.

You're noticing the difference in the texture of the salt, not the flavor of the salt. You'll do just as well with kosher salt, which is significantly cheaper than sea salt (and, more importantly, comes in bigger containers).

I have a small bag of fleur de sel (we call it "crunchy salt") which I use to finish things, but again, it's for the texture. I wouldn't say I've found any incredible difference in salt flavor.

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