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WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

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Re: WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

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There are two articles about AMP on the front page right now, this one and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11167478 . Which is better?

I actually found both useful. Both target different audiences and provide different perspective on the issue. I probably wouldn't click through to 11167428 if I didn't use WordPress; whereas I wouldn't click through to 11167478 if I had already seen the AMP announcement last year ("I know about AMP; when will there be stuff I can download/install/play with?").

Re: WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

#42
post #37

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> The project is open source and open to contributions from anyone. The project is exclusively governed by three Google employees, listed at https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/GOVERNANCE... , all contributions are at their discretion. All contributors must sign a legally binding licensing agreement with Google which includes a patent grant, per https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/CONTRIBU…

I don't see what makes it different from any other open source project. Of course it's going to have technical leads and core committers, it's not like you can go force a PR merge on jQuery trunk any time you please. I'm aghast that you would even suggest such a thing. And CLA's aren't fun, but they're hardly new, either.[1] If you don't like that it's Google, that's fine, but at least be honest with yourself about i…

To me the problematic part that makes it different to at least some open source projects is that all those technical leads and core committers are apparently employed by Google (and working on company time, I assume). That could mean Google, and Google alone, gets to decide where it goes.

Re: WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

#43
Benchmark time! For the example article mentioned in the article [1],

- Default page: 74 requests, 1983kB, 2.98 in Firefox

- Adding amp/ at the end: 14 requests, 464kB, 0.51s in Firefox

Good! And sad it's not the default :-/

EDIT: after proper reading of the consequences, of course it's not the default. Indulgent readers will correct the above sentence as "hope we're moving to this kind of performance by default."

[1] http://blog.longreads.com/2016/02/18/the-freelancers-roundta...

Re: WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

#44
post #41
post #33

There are two articles about AMP on the front page right now, this one and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11167478 . Which is better?

I actually found both useful. Both target different audiences and provide different perspective on the issue. I probably wouldn't click through to 11167428 if I didn't use WordPress; whereas I wouldn't click through to 11167478 if I had already seen the AMP announcement last year ("I know about AMP; when will there be stuff I can download/install/play with?").

Ok, we'll leave them both up.

Re: WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

#45
The official WordPress AMP plugin doesn't currently offer much. It seems to be a simple install-and-go plugin with very little configurations.

There are some developers working on a few other plugins. I found this PageFrog plugin https://wordpress.org/plugins/pagefrog/ which AMPs your page but includes a bunch of other stuff.

Particularly PageFrog comes bundled with Facebook Instant Articles support along with configurations for ads and analytics, which seems to be missing from the official WP plugin.

Re: WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

#46

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What "default template" would that be? As for the "lang" attribute, it is set to the language chosen when WordPress was installed.

Oops, sorry, I was looking at the HTML of the theme previewer instead of the theme itself. With regard to WordPress, only my "XHTML friends network" point remains valid. Concerning web development in general, I have seen way too much cargo cult boilerplate, too many hardcoded lang attributes, etc.

Yeah, the value of "XFN" is debatable. But it's usually written as a link element that doesn't really break anything.

Re: WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

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AMP erects walls around the Open Web and enshrines Google as the gatekeeper. Want to embed content from another site? Great! You can choose from , , , , or . Building an advertising startup? Hooray! I hope you're one of the dozen whitelisted ad networks that allows. In Russia or China? Maybe Google will deign to implement and if we're sufficiently humble. This is not the Web I want.

The project is open source and open to contributions from anyone. Every single time this comes up the project contributors have said that they will gladly modify to support any network they can. They're also constantly developing new components to fill in the gaps for other embeddable services. You want ? Submit a PR! Open an issue! It's open source! And please, please tell me what's wrong with using e.g. ? It's just…

The whole point of AMP is...

Right. Looking at this whole thing humorously, it seems like the uproar is over AMP is developers getting angry at a tool designed to prevent them from shooting themselves in the foot, for removing their ability to shoot themselves in the foot :)

Re: WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

#48
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMP erects walls around the Open Web and enshrines Google as the gatekeeper. Want to embed content from another site? Great! You can choose from , , , , or . Building an advertising startup? Hooray! I hope you're one of the dozen whitelisted ad networks that allows. In Russia or China? Maybe Google will deign to implement and if we're sufficiently humble. This is not the Web I want.

The project is open source and open to contributions from anyone. Every single time this comes up the project contributors have said that they will gladly modify to support any network they can. They're also constantly developing new components to fill in the gaps for other embeddable services. You want ? Submit a PR! Open an issue! It's open source! And please, please tell me what's wrong with using e.g. ? It's just…

Open Source does not really mean better and open. The role of Google as Gatekeeper remains. Android is Open source too but how many non-Google controlled Android phones do you see on market ?

Re: WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

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post #48
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The project is open source and open to contributions from anyone. Every single time this comes up the project contributors have said that they will gladly modify to support any network they can. They're also constantly developing new components to fill in the gaps for other embeddable services. You want ? Submit a PR! Open an issue! It's open source! And please, please tell me what's wrong with using e.g. ? It's just…

Open Source does not really mean better and open. The role of Google as Gatekeeper remains. Android is Open source too but how many non-Google controlled Android phones do you see on market ?

A few.

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Devices

Open source means there's no such thing as a "Gatekeeper". As with every other open source project ever, you can just fork it. How many open source projects today are forked from their original repo because a large enough portion of the users and developers disagreed with the ones in control?

Honestly, this argument is just silly. https://developers.google.com/open-source/projects read that list and name one time where Google abused the control they had over the project they created. They already have a good track record for open source. This "gatekeeper" nonsense is just a bunch of unnecessary FUD.

Re: WordPress Sites Now Support Google’s AMP to Make Mobile Pages Load Faster

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The project is open source and open to contributions from anyone. Every single time this comes up the project contributors have said that they will gladly modify to support any network they can. They're also constantly developing new components to fill in the gaps for other embeddable services. You want ? Submit a PR! Open an issue! It's open source! And please, please tell me what's wrong with using e.g. ? It's just…

The whole point of AMP is... Right. Looking at this whole thing humorously, it seems like the uproar is over AMP is developers getting angry at a tool designed to prevent them from shooting themselves in the foot, for removing their ability to shoot themselves in the foot :)

I look at it as HTML5 "strict" mode.
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