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Spotify moves its back end to Google Cloud

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Post by lobster_johnson »

boulos wrote: post #336
lobster_johnson wrote: post #283

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Slightly off-topic, but not too off-topic question: Does GCE have a text format for its configuration? My pet peeve with cloud services and their web-based admin GUIs is that you have to use the GUI or the APIs to do anything. You can't capture the current configuration and then replay it if anything is misconfigured. You can't save or restore the config. You can't diff the config across versions. Most SaaSes don't e…

In (most?) places throughout the web-based console you can click a little link to show you the REST API equivalent of your resource (whether it's an instance, a disk, or a command you're about to do). You might be able to make the job of "exporting your infrastructure" somewhat straightforward from those, though I think I'd personally just write against the handful of APIs in Go. All of our newer offerings (meaning G…

Thanks, being able to see the API call for a resource is a nice convenience.

But part of my point was that while you can code together something with APIs, you still need to write the diffing and converging logic to accomplish what I suggested. For example, if someone has gone through the console and added something, so that you now have a conflict, you want to be able to resolve the conflict. First by either accepting or rejecting the conflicting change, and then, if you rejected it, remove it as part of the next push.

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Post by zbjornson »

jhgg wrote: post #351
zbjornson wrote: post #319

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GCP has locally attached SSDs on almost all machine types and up to 64 TiB of block storage, configurable. What features were you missing?

It's a shortcoming in the GCE salt-cloud driver not being able to specify those in a deployment configuration. Sorry if this was unclear!

Aha roger!

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Post by bluecmd »

nkw wrote: post #149
boulos wrote: post #76

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For Google Cloud products that have made it to General Availability (GA), we have a one-year deprecation policy ( https://cloud.google.com/terms/ , Section 7.2). That is, if we're going to make some big change, we give you a 1 year heads up. Disclaimer: I work on Compute Engine, but I'm not a lawyer ;).

Promises to do something for a year which you can change or withdraw after 30 days are really promises for 30 days: "Google may make changes to this Agreement, including pricing (and any linked documents) from time to time. Unless otherwise noted by Google, material changes to the Agreement will become effective 30 days after they are posted, except if the changes apply to new functionality in which case they will be…

Is this really how it works? I guess you have to go to court to find out, but I always thought of it this way:

If I have the same policy (support for 1 year) and I change the contract - the change will only take actual effect after 1 year.

I mean, I'm contractually bound today to provide support for 1 year from today, no? Am I just rambling, or does it make sense?

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Post by vgt »

halayli wrote: post #347
vgt wrote: post #286

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Hey guys it's Tino. When will you contribute to our Big Data blog with your excellent ideas? :) https://cloud.google.com/blog/big-data/

I am more than happy to contribute but I have a feeling you've mistaken me with someone else? :)

yup sorry posted in wrong thread.. but please do :)

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Post by udkl »

latchkey wrote: post #35

What Google Cloud needs is a better sales story. AWS consistently beats out Google in this respect. This story is welcomed and there should be more success stories published like this. My business is a heavy GC user (AppEngine, Datastore, CloudStorage, BQ, ComputeEngine, ManagedVM) and I couldn't imagine achieving what we have achieved in such a short amount of time on any other platform. We (myself and another guy)…

Better sales story AND marketing.

Look at the names themselves CloudStorage Vs Redshift/s3, ComputeEngine Vs EC2. Cookies vs. Oreo.

AWS service names are a brand in themselves while Google service names are too generic.

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Post by gtaylor »

tormeh wrote: post #22
simonswords82 wrote: post #6

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Hmmm...interesting point but Google already has an awful lot of music infrastructure in the form of Google Music and YouTube does it not? Would it really make sense for them to purchase Spotify too?

I've only really looked at Spotify and Tidal, but Spotify is really good. There's more to streaming than content. Makes me curious about how good Google's recommendation engine is.

I like it more than Spotify's. I found the repetition was much higher with Spotify, and never felt that it was "learning" what I liked. I don't know how many Mumford & Sons songs I thumbed down, but it would find progressively more obscure songs from them to slip into my Alt playlists.

Even when Spotify wasn't repeating individual songs, it repeated artists a good deal. This was over a period of six months until I got frustrated and switched to Google Play Music (what a clumsy name this is, though!).

With Google Play Music (GPM?), it throws a lot of different things at me in their generated playlists. I've had great success with the "I'm feeling lucky Radio", as well. I don't want to stop and think about what to listen to during a work day, so it's valuable to me to be able to start it in the morning and just listen in.

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Post by gtaylor »

tormeh wrote: post #22
simonswords82 wrote: post #6

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Hmmm...interesting point but Google already has an awful lot of music infrastructure in the form of Google Music and YouTube does it not? Would it really make sense for them to purchase Spotify too?

I've only really looked at Spotify and Tidal, but Spotify is really good. There's more to streaming than content. Makes me curious about how good Google's recommendation engine is.

I like it more than Spotify's. I found the repetition was much higher with Spotify, and never felt that it was "learning" what I liked. I don't know how many Mumford & Sons songs I thumbed down, but it would find progressively more obscure songs from them to slip into my Alt playlists.

Even when Spotify wasn't repeating individual songs, it repeated artists a good deal.

With Google Play Music, it throws a lot of different things at me in their generated playlists. I've had great success with the "I'm feeling lucky Radio", as well. I don't want to stop and think about what to listen to during a work day, so it's valuable to me to be able to start it in the morning and just listen in.

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Post by nkw »

chrisan wrote: post #359
nkw wrote: post #149

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Promises to do something for a year which you can change or withdraw after 30 days are really promises for 30 days: "Google may make changes to this Agreement, including pricing (and any linked documents) from time to time. Unless otherwise noted by Google, material changes to the Agreement will become effective 30 days after they are posted, except if the changes apply to new functionality in which case they will be…

That's pretty eye opening. Curious if you have looked at AWS with a similar regard, are they any better?

Not any better, arguably worse:

https://aws.amazon.com/agreement/

"We may change, discontinue, or deprecate any of the Service Offerings (including the Service Offerings as a whole) or change or remove features or functionality of the Service Offerings from time to time. We will notify you of any material change to or discontinuation of the Service Offerings."

"We may terminate this Agreement for any reason by providing you 30 days advance notice."

"We may modify this Agreement (including any Policies) at any time by posting a revised version on the AWS Site or by otherwise notifying you in accordance with Section 13.7..."

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Post by kyrra »

tormeh wrote: post #328
pgm8705 wrote: post #128

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I've also found that Google's radio stations are more diverse and less repetitive.

Just checked out Google Music on Wikipedia. No native desktop clients. Not even for Windows, and I use Linux. They can't be serious. Total dealbreaker.

I tend to always have a browser open so a desktop client doesn't matter to me. I keep Play Music open in a tab. Then I use an extension[0] to add the other controls I normally use.

[0] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/prime-player-for-g...

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Post by aeze »

chrisbroadfoot wrote: post #274
meestaahjoshee wrote: post #170

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just playing devil's advocate here but since when do you NEED to spend less than 30% of your take home on rent to survive? There are people out there paying 50% or more of their take home on their rent/mortgage I imagine - it's just not really considered to be wise move in most cases. 1200/mo for a 1 bed doesn't even sound that bad for what's supposed to be the most expensive city to live in America. I know people in…

That's $1200 for a bed in a shared house, not a 1 bed apartment, which goes for about $3300.

Wow, that's expensive.
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