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Re: Dear Skype/Microsoft: Problems with Linux client

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Post by [deleted] »

_jomo wrote: post #255
anexprogrammer wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most things worked far, far better 10 years ago than today. Apparently this is progress. Social everything means we can't visit a website today without calls to a billion external domains. Phones are doing the same as they're mini-tablets that suck at actual phone calls. Operating systems have taken on mobile centric (and the hideous flatten everything) design that is broken paradigm for a 15" laptop or 24" desktop s…

> All that crap should be in official plugins so you add pocket only if you want it etc. They are working on making Pocket a (built-in) add-on. Apparently it's harder than it sounds, but there is some progress going on: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215694 Edit: Apparently that bug is fixed and Pocket is a "system addon" in Firefox 46+ https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3ba655f6bc67

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Re: Dear Skype/Microsoft: Problems with Linux client

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Post by sean-duffy »

When I used to use Skype on OSX I always hated it, people talk about iTunes being bloatware but the amount of resources Skype used was obscene. The final straw was a bug they never fixed that would log me out of Facebook in Safari every time I opened Skype. It was something to do with the fact that I'd foolishly linked my Skype and Facebook accounts in the past, I'm not sure if even to this day they ever fixed that.

Re: Dear Skype/Microsoft: Problems with Linux client

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Post by ikurei »

gambiting wrote: post #311
ElijahLynn wrote: post #161

Stop using Skype. The NSA allegedly collects all Skype traffic anyways. Do you really want that? "The full capture of voice traffic began in February of 2011 for “Skype in” and “Skype out” calls—calls between a Skype user and a land line or cellphone through a gateway to the public switched telephone network (PSTN), captured through warranted taps into Microsoft’s gateways. But in July of 2011, the NSA added the capa…

I've actually had skype deployed in multiple locations as a way to do super cheap monitoring solution. 1) old laptops from ebay(probably paid $100 for each) 2) microsoft 3000 webcam 3) linux. Each laptop was configured with its own skype account, would start it on boot, audio out completely disabled, and set to pick up calls from friends automatically. Why not use a regular CCTV solution? I knew I could call that sky…

What kind of monitoring are you talking about, if I may?

That solution, unless you haven't told the whole story, doens't record anything, so unless I'm watching closely just when they're robbing my hose it will be all for naught.

Re: Dear Skype/Microsoft: Problems with Linux client

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Post by Grishnakh »

vanderZwan wrote: post #41
nakedrobot2 wrote: post #31

Skype worked far, far better 10 years ago than it does today. From all indications I've seen, Skype is getting dramatically worse all the time. From a personal standpoint, it crashes for me multiple times a day and I can rarely get group calls working on the first try. Often Skype requires a force-quit and then it crashes twice more when it is being restarted. This is on Mac and Android. Fun fact: I have a friend who…

And when someone tries to innovate in this live group chat space, they get bought out[0]. I doubt we'll see the features of Talko in Skyp any time soon, and I expect whatever creative buzz they had going over at Talko will surely be killed by the forced reintegration into the Microsoft bureaucracy. [0] http://www.talko.com/

So all I need to do to become a millionaire is make a Skype clone and then let MS buy me out? Who wants to join me?

Re: Dear Skype/Microsoft: Problems with Linux client

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Post by 0X1A »

lawl wrote: post #247
LoSboccacc wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the example I gave is exactly how stuff has broken in projects. static linked on a kde library that had widget, new one doesn't have that nor a fallback, application crashes. or just go get some old static compiled stuff run on your modern distro and see yourself. like, mindrover the europa project port.

This will be my last reply. > static linked on a kde library that had widget, new one doesn't have that nor a fallback, application crashes. As I said before, please read up on what static linking means. > like, mindrover the europa project port. $ file Mindrover\ The\ Europa\ Project\ DEMO\ r1-lgp-x86.run Mindrover The Europa Project DEMO r1-lgp-x86.run: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dyna…

Don't waste your time, they don't know what they're talking about. I've found most people that complain about ABI breakage usually don't.

Re: Dear Skype/Microsoft: Problems with Linux client

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Post by stonogo »

untog wrote: post #294
anexprogrammer wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most things worked far, far better 10 years ago than today. Apparently this is progress. Social everything means we can't visit a website today without calls to a billion external domains. Phones are doing the same as they're mini-tablets that suck at actual phone calls. Operating systems have taken on mobile centric (and the hideous flatten everything) design that is broken paradigm for a 15" laptop or 24" desktop s…

> Most things worked far, far better 10 years ago than today. Apparently this is progress. Sigh. If you wanted to look up a business on your phone you'd have to call directory enquiries - did that "work better" than your smartphone? Did you prefer RealPlayer over HTML video? Was WAP better than LTE? Was Windows XP the pinnacle of OS design? Yeah, sometimes progress is a double-edged sword that outdates some things we…

> If you wanted to look up a business on your phone you'd have to call directory enquiries - did that "work better" than your smartphone?

Bad example. I didn't need a smartphone for this task because there was a real live human being, who brought to the task all of the adaptability and intuition that modern systems lack. I didn't need Yelp, or Google Maps, or even the entire name of the business I was looking for. "I need the number to the printing company on the east side" was enough to get me a name, an address, and the call routed, without paying monthly bandwidth fees or spending seven hundred dollars on a pocket supercomputer.

Realplayer sucked but it was about a thousand times more reliable than the current compatibility crapshoot (sans bandwidth issues).

Worth the price? Sure, but to quote Pulp Fictoin, let's not start beating each other off just yet. There is plenty of room for improvement, and we've lost a lot of ground.

I used to be able to take a supersonic flight across the country, without having my body inspected via millimeter-wave radar.

Has anyone set foot on the moon in your lifetime?

Re: Dear Skype/Microsoft: Problems with Linux client

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Post by anexprogrammer »

untog wrote: post #294
anexprogrammer wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most things worked far, far better 10 years ago than today. Apparently this is progress. Social everything means we can't visit a website today without calls to a billion external domains. Phones are doing the same as they're mini-tablets that suck at actual phone calls. Operating systems have taken on mobile centric (and the hideous flatten everything) design that is broken paradigm for a 15" laptop or 24" desktop s…

> Most things worked far, far better 10 years ago than today. Apparently this is progress. Sigh. If you wanted to look up a business on your phone you'd have to call directory enquiries - did that "work better" than your smartphone? Did you prefer RealPlayer over HTML video? Was WAP better than LTE? Was Windows XP the pinnacle of OS design? Yeah, sometimes progress is a double-edged sword that outdates some things we…

Of course LTE and HTML video is better :p

Having so many apps constantly spitting unnecessary data out to trackers and heaven knows what isn't better. Neither is simple apps that can't cope when you go out of data coverage, which seems to be becoming more common.

I'd rather have gnome 2 than 3, I'd rather have Win 7 than 10 or XP. I don't consider any of them the pinnacle of design, but I don't think they're currently moving in a helpful direction either. There's been precious little progress or innovation in the OS space for years.

I'd rather have google talk, which was small, light, minimal and crucially reliable over hangouts or current skype.

Re: Dear Skype/Microsoft: Problems with Linux client

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Post by Torgo »

joeyspn wrote: post #217

Meet Jitsi... https://meet.jit.si/ It's a nice FOSS alternative for group calling.

Doesn't group calling require a bridge plugin on your XMPP server?

I set up Jitsi to do point to point (encrypted) video between two of our offices to replace Skype, and it worked fantastic.

Re: Dear Skype/Microsoft: Problems with Linux client

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Post by benedikt »

Grishnakh wrote: post #344
vanderZwan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when someone tries to innovate in this live group chat space, they get bought out[0]. I doubt we'll see the features of Talko in Skyp any time soon, and I expect whatever creative buzz they had going over at Talko will surely be killed by the forced reintegration into the Microsoft bureaucracy. [0] http://www.talko.com/

So all I need to do to become a millionaire is make a Skype clone and then let MS buy me out? Who wants to join me?

Let's do this

Re: Dear Skype/Microsoft: Problems with Linux client

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Post by [deleted] »

cookiecaper wrote: post #278
smarinov wrote: post #260

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Thanks for letting us know it was dead. I haven't realised it for the part few years of daily usage.

I used Thunderbird daily for the better part of a decade until about 3 months ago. It's nothing personal against the project, which is currently the best serious desktop mail client available afaik. It's simply that Mozilla doesn't care about it anymore since everyone uses webmail now. Thunderbird is doing feature releases about once a year now [0], and Mozilla has pulled most (all?) of its full-time developers [1].…

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