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Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value

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Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value

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I think Buzz's most fatal flaw is that it relies to heavily on Gmail. Anybody who hasn't used gmail until now will probably not start using Buzz.

Another thing (but that's very imho) is that Google applications still look and feel like Excel. They are certainly very good, but also feel like work.

Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value

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The cost of leaving facebook is higher than it was for leaving any of those other platforms. People have their social graphs well-established on Facebook now. Not a bad guess at their desired graph, as Buzz provides, but a graph they've shaped themselves over the course of a year or more. Me-too or even evolutionary won't cut it for draining Facebook of its users. It's got to provide signficantly more value immediate…

I think you have to think of this utility in terms of how the two social graphs are different. The Facebook social graph is established by people you meet in person and who decide later to send you a friend invite, or people you knew at some point who saw your picture on someone else's friends list. The strength of the connection is determined by Facebook based on how often you interact with or stalk that person. The…

That's an interesting way of looking at it, but you're still talking about "preference" of one over the other. Unless there's a new tool out there that can integrate everything for me, (even if I prefer FB/Buzz/Twitter/etc.) I'll still probably use all of them for those precise separate reasons.

I think it'd be interesting to see how many NEW social network users Buzz will bring in, just because of the simple fact that it makes setting up a brand new network easy as pie (vs FB and having to build up to a nice little community of friends).

Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value

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Why the hell does anyone still read anything that this guy writes. More often than not he's full of shit. Why risk your time trying to figure out which is the case for any single piece of his writing.

It spurs interesting debate when someone puts a strong stake in the ground. I mean, look at this thread :)

Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value

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I use "Flock" to handle all of my Gmail and social networking needs.as well as for a host of other net trolling and data mining tasks...can get a bit cluttered though So why do I want to learn all the new BUZZ particulars ..imho google's a day late and a buck short.... who am I kidding I'll try it when I get bored w/ FLOCK...

Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value

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God I feel like I'm being trolled here, but I'll bite. Let's assume Google Buzz is undeniably better than Facebook. Let's also assume no one is really invested in the 90% of Facebook functionality that Google Buzz doesn't address. Hell, let's assume any user who tries Google Buzz will instantly declare eternal allegiance to Larry and Sergey and immediately delete their Facebook account. Even with all those dramatical…

Look at the sick amount on activity on this thread.... and this is day one of Buzz. http://bit.ly/daBl66 100+ people like it. ~200 comments from quality people. This is game over for Facebook for everyone who doesn't play Farmville. I've never seen pickup like that, and that is with just 2,000 followers. I have 25k followers on my fanpage on Facebook and 5k on my normal facebook page. in fact, i've never seen pickup…

Look at the sick amount on activity on this thread.... and this is day one of Buzz.

Right. The day when every bored geek in the valley gives it a spin.

Mark my words, a year from today Facebook will be in no weaker position than it is today, and Buzz may or may not be relevant, but it certainly won't be dwarfing Facebook—not by a long shot. If you disagree name your metrics, and I'll do a writeup a year from today and whore it up here on Hacker News.

Typically I don't consider you to be as much of a koolaid-drinker as Scoble, but man you really went off the deep-end this time.

Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value

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Perhaps Buzz will prove to have enduring value, but so far my experience is like this: I'm 'following' people I never followed, some of whom I don't even know but who I apparently emailed at some point; and they're clogging up my Google Reader feeds to boot. It sure seems like Google doesn't understand social behavior very well...

I may be wrong about Buzz, but my first impression was not good.

Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value

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i wish there was a way to send calacanis a virtual slap in the face for this one. So wrong. To answer his questions: 1. Have you used Google Buzz? Yes, I think I'm perceived as a target user. Tried it, quit it. 2. How is Google Buzz better than Facebook? It's not. 3. What advantages does Google Buzz have over Facebook? That it lives in Gmail, but that's still not compelling. 4. What advantages does Facebook have over…

Well, Chrome has a ridiculously fast, lightweight browsing engine. I'd attribute that to Apple though, so…

Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value

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i wish there was a way to send calacanis a virtual slap in the face for this one. So wrong. To answer his questions: 1. Have you used Google Buzz? Yes, I think I'm perceived as a target user. Tried it, quit it. 2. How is Google Buzz better than Facebook? It's not. 3. What advantages does Google Buzz have over Facebook? That it lives in Gmail, but that's still not compelling. 4. What advantages does Facebook have over…

I dunno, I feel like you're being a bit overly critical here. In my mind, Buzz isn't competing with Facebook, it's competing with Twitter. Buzz is Twitter for the masses. And personally, I know that due to Gmail integration, I'm going to be using it - unlike Twitter or Facebook. People seem to want Buzz to fail for some reason. I feel like people saw Wave, decided "Oh, Google failed, they can't possibly make a new pr…

> I know that due to Gmail integration, I'm going to be using it - unlike Twitter or Facebook.

Funny - due to gmail integration, I'll never use it.

It feels to me like an issue of kool-aid. If you accept the assertion that everyone uses gmail, and that everyone loves the gmail interface, and that people keep gmail open all day (or at least check it fairly often), then Google Buzz seems like a great idea - a social network tied into all the services you use every day.

It breaks down when you start breaking those assertions. If you're not in Gmail every day (e.g. if you use an IMAP client), or if you don't like the interface (but you have to use it, e.g. Google Apps), or if you don't use gmail at all, then Google Buzz becomes a huge hassle to use.

I'd love to love Buzz, because I like awesome things, but it seems to me that the Buzz team just assumes everyone loves Gmail as much as Google does, and that's not going to pan out. They might think Buzz will be a draw to Gmail, but in reality Gmail will be a barrier to Buzz.

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