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Re: Donald Trump, Class Warrior

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Post by dzdt »

projectramo wrote: post #6

The author makes it sound as though he is the only to meet, appreciate and understand Trump supporters. He makes it sound as if the rest of us haven't seen, met or read these people. Trump's support jumps when he talks against certain groups of people. It is not accidental to his support it is essential to his support. The racism isn't an anti-elitist posture, it is an essential element of his campaign. And my PC fri…

Try prompting one of your PC friends. Ask them if they have heard of "Duck Dynasty" and can they explain it to you. If they can manage 10 sentences without saying something pejorative you can color me impressed.

Re: Donald Trump, Class Warrior

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Post by kaonashi »

gizmo wrote: post #9

The one issue that unifies Trump supporters is anti-Muslim bigotry. A whopping 75% of voters during the last exit poll support Trump's wholesale ban on Muslim migration[1]. On all other issues Trump supporters are more divided. Except for this one, where support is near universal. Trump is the logical conclusion of 40 years of race baiting in politics. This is not about "political correctness", except insofar that th…

I don't think it's just the racism that's propelling him in the polls, it's racism combined with populism.

For some people, being economically liberal can only occur when they feel that the 'other' groups aren't getting in on the deal.

Re: Donald Trump, Class Warrior

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Post by CM30 »

Yeah, seems pretty logical. People don't vote for those who call them idiots and look down on them with disdain, especially if they seemingly admit it in public.

But I think to some degree, one of the other reasons for his rise to popularity (and that of a lot of other outsider figures, like Sanders) is because people are getting sick of the media and corporate narrative and want someone who isn't constantly being pushed on them.

They've seen the media attacks on people as 'bigots'. They've seen the politicians seemingly completely ignore their concerns and the increasing disconnect between the average voter and the average politician or journalist.

So they start supporting simple talk, more 'down to earth' types outside of the political world, the corporate media goes straight back on the attack, so yet more people start supporting the outsider politicians, rinse and repeat. The political and media worlds turned on their audience and supporters, and now it's coming back to haunt them in the way of people like Trump riding in on a wave of popularity and public support.

Re: Donald Trump, Class Warrior

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Post by projectramo »

dzdt wrote: post #11
projectramo wrote: post #6

The author makes it sound as though he is the only to meet, appreciate and understand Trump supporters. He makes it sound as if the rest of us haven't seen, met or read these people. Trump's support jumps when he talks against certain groups of people. It is not accidental to his support it is essential to his support. The racism isn't an anti-elitist posture, it is an essential element of his campaign. And my PC fri…

Try prompting one of your PC friends. Ask them if they have heard of "Duck Dynasty" and can they explain it to you. If they can manage 10 sentences without saying something pejorative you can color me impressed.

I haven't seen it, but is it political? Criticism of politics is "fair". Criticism of poverty, etc is not.

Re: Donald Trump, Class Warrior

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Post by avatar299 »

projectramo wrote: post #6

The author makes it sound as though he is the only to meet, appreciate and understand Trump supporters. He makes it sound as if the rest of us haven't seen, met or read these people. Trump's support jumps when he talks against certain groups of people. It is not accidental to his support it is essential to his support. The racism isn't an anti-elitist posture, it is an essential element of his campaign. And my PC fri…

Or do you excuse your PC friends when they call these people mean words, because you agree with them?

Every 4 years My "PC" friends almost unanimouisly call republicans rednecks and nazi's and bigots, fascists, and rapists, etc etc etc. Why is it impossible for people to think that after so many years of that, those people get angry.

Even in this thread, trump supporters are called racist, because they want to restrict immigration.

Re: Donald Trump, Class Warrior

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Post by avatar299 »

dzdt wrote: post #11
projectramo wrote: post #6

The author makes it sound as though he is the only to meet, appreciate and understand Trump supporters. He makes it sound as if the rest of us haven't seen, met or read these people. Trump's support jumps when he talks against certain groups of people. It is not accidental to his support it is essential to his support. The racism isn't an anti-elitist posture, it is an essential element of his campaign. And my PC fri…

Try prompting one of your PC friends. Ask them if they have heard of "Duck Dynasty" and can they explain it to you. If they can manage 10 sentences without saying something pejorative you can color me impressed.

I posted your question on my facebook, and the first response I got was "A member of the KKK got a tv show and white trash watch it."

Granted it was Facebook, where everyone is tying to be a comedian, but still. I don't think a face to face conversation would be that different.

Re: Donald Trump, Class Warrior

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Post by projectramo »

avatar299 wrote: post #15
projectramo wrote: post #6

The author makes it sound as though he is the only to meet, appreciate and understand Trump supporters. He makes it sound as if the rest of us haven't seen, met or read these people. Trump's support jumps when he talks against certain groups of people. It is not accidental to his support it is essential to his support. The racism isn't an anti-elitist posture, it is an essential element of his campaign. And my PC fri…

Or do you excuse your PC friends when they call these people mean words, because you agree with them? Every 4 years My "PC" friends almost unanimouisly call republicans rednecks and nazi's and bigots, fascists, and rapists, etc etc etc. Why is it impossible for people to think that after so many years of that, those people get angry. Even in this thread, trump supporters are called racist, because they want to restri…

Wait! Trump's pronouncements are prejudiced. Its not just "restricting immigration." Everyone on the Republican platform is for "restricting immigration." He specifically thinks that Mexican immigrants and Muslim immigrants in particular should be restricted. Granted people are guilty of lumping in religious prejudice with racism. But that isn't your main issue with it.

That is not a poor position, or a southern position. I don't think you can conflate criticism of that position with prejudice against republicans. Most republicans are against targeting members of a religion or race.

Re: Donald Trump, Class Warrior

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Post by projectramo »

avatar299 wrote: post #16
dzdt wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try prompting one of your PC friends. Ask them if they have heard of "Duck Dynasty" and can they explain it to you. If they can manage 10 sentences without saying something pejorative you can color me impressed.

I posted your question on my facebook, and the first response I got was "A member of the KKK got a tv show and white trash watch it." Granted it was Facebook, where everyone is tying to be a comedian, but still. I don't think a face to face conversation would be that different.

n=1 On that basis I am sure I could find people with in any group who are, for instance, racist, bigoted etc quite easily. The question is not: are there some people who have this or that view or belief.
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