Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value
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Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value
#2It's the users. Facebook's value isn't going to vary any unless there is some migration from Facebook to Buzz.
What exactly does Buzz offer that Facebook doesn't? What kind of recognition will it have?
This is all very interesting, but it's _far_ too early for this kind of hyperbole.
Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value
#3It's the users. Facebook's value isn't going to vary any unless there is some migration from Facebook to Buzz. What exactly does Buzz offer that Facebook doesn't? What kind of recognition will it have? This is all very interesting, but it's _far_ too early for this kind of hyperbole.
Facebook's value isn't going to vary any unless there is some migration from Facebook to Buzz.
It has been done before. Do you remember Prodigy? CompuServe? AOL? MySpace?
For that matter, how often do you use the search engines Excite, Lycos, AltaVista, or whatever Microsoft's search engine was before Bing?
Users go where the user experience is pleasant. Advertisers look for click-throughs, and try to estimate eyeball-minutes for the major sites, and Google has a fair chance of beating Facebook with Buzz. Not overnight, but steadily. Many of my Facebook friends haven't seen the Google Buzz roll-out yet, but they have seen the new Facebook homepage roll-out, and they don't like it.
AFTER EDIT: And it occurs to me that Calacanis's main statement, that Facebook lost value, is hard to test while Facebook is not publicly traded. But Google's value is easy to track in the stock market. If this move looks stupid to Google investors, their behavior will show that.
Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value
#4It's the users. Facebook's value isn't going to vary any unless there is some migration from Facebook to Buzz. What exactly does Buzz offer that Facebook doesn't? What kind of recognition will it have? This is all very interesting, but it's _far_ too early for this kind of hyperbole.
Facebook's value isn't going to vary any unless there is some migration from Facebook to Buzz. It has been done before. Do you remember Prodigy? CompuServe? AOL? MySpace? For that matter, how often do you use the search engines Excite, Lycos, AltaVista, or whatever Microsoft's search engine was before Bing? Users go where the user experience is pleasant. Advertisers look for click-throughs, and try to estimate eyebal…
The cost of leaving facebook is higher than it was for leaving any of those other platforms. People have their social graphs well-established on Facebook now. Not a bad guess at their desired graph, as Buzz provides, but a graph they've shaped themselves over the course of a year or more.
Me-too or even evolutionary won't cut it for draining Facebook of its users. It's got to provide signficantly more value immediately upon signing up. So far, it doesn't.
Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value
#5i wish there was a way to send calacanis a virtual slap in the face for this one. So wrong.
To answer his questions:
1. Have you used Google Buzz? Yes, I think I'm perceived as a target user. Tried it, quit it. 2. How is Google Buzz better than Facebook? It's not. 3. What advantages does Google Buzz have over Facebook? That it lives in Gmail, but that's still not compelling. 4. What advantages does Facebook have over Google? My friends/social graph algorithms/news feed 5. Did you see this coming? Sure, why wouldn't Google try this. They have 20,000 employees. This maybe took 5 weeks and 3 dev guys to hack up. 6. What do you attribute Google’s recent string of AMAZING products including: Chrome, Android, Nexus One and Buzz? Nexus One has a nice screen resolution. That's about the only good thing.
Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value
#6Facebook has lock-in. I don't think most Facebook users jump from app to app that quickly.
Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook's value isn't going to vary any unless there is some migration from Facebook to Buzz. It has been done before. Do you remember Prodigy? CompuServe? AOL? MySpace? For that matter, how often do you use the search engines Excite, Lycos, AltaVista, or whatever Microsoft's search engine was before Bing? Users go where the user experience is pleasant. Advertisers look for click-throughs, and try to estimate eyebal…
The cost of leaving facebook is higher than it was for leaving any of those other platforms. People have their social graphs well-established on Facebook now. Not a bad guess at their desired graph, as Buzz provides, but a graph they've shaped themselves over the course of a year or more. Me-too or even evolutionary won't cut it for draining Facebook of its users. It's got to provide signficantly more value immediate…
I think you have to think of this utility in terms of how the two social graphs are different.
The Facebook social graph is established by people you meet in person and who decide later to send you a friend invite, or people you knew at some point who saw your picture on someone else's friends list. The strength of the connection is determined by Facebook based on how often you interact with or stalk that person.
The Gmail social graph is people you actually communicate with, and is more dynamic in the sense that you probably communicate with more people on a day-to-day basis then you interact/stalk with on Fb.
The question is, which of these makes for a more relevant following system, and for what kind of user?
Perhaps one way to think of it is that people who are all about sharing pictures will prefer Fb, but those who are all about sharing ideas will prefer Buzz. Which target demographic has more income?
Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value
#8i wish there was a way to send calacanis a virtual slap in the face for this one. So wrong. To answer his questions: 1. Have you used Google Buzz? Yes, I think I'm perceived as a target user. Tried it, quit it. 2. How is Google Buzz better than Facebook? It's not. 3. What advantages does Google Buzz have over Facebook? That it lives in Gmail, but that's still not compelling. 4. What advantages does Facebook have over…
I dunno, I feel like you're being a bit overly critical here. In my mind, Buzz isn't competing with Facebook, it's competing with Twitter. Buzz is Twitter for the masses. And personally, I know that due to Gmail integration, I'm going to be using it - unlike Twitter or Facebook.
People seem to want Buzz to fail for some reason. I feel like people saw Wave, decided "Oh, Google failed, they can't possibly make a new product right", and are now trying to pin that on Buzz too.
Anyway, I'm using it, as are a bunch of my friends. People are already using it in my social friend graph, and enthusiastically, too - which is much more than could be said for Wave. I'm not saying it's going to be a huge success, but I think it's silly to just brush it off as crap so quickly.
Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value
#9Is Calacanis really this much of an idiot?
Re: Google Buzz is brilliant, Facebook just lost half its value
#10Currently the only advantage Google Buzz has over Facebook is it lives in Gmail.