Good luck getting a trojan onto an iOS 9 based iPhone 6.
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German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens
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Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens
#142Good luck getting a trojan onto an iOS 9 based iPhone 6.
a second one text to preinstalled one? What would be the use?
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#143I doubt they have capable programmers working for them. A few years ago the Chaos Computer Club discovered the 'predecessor' version of this State-Trojan ("Bundestrojaner"). This version was a perfect example what happens when you _want_ to have such a software but your programmers _suck_ at even most basic things (like establishing a working traffic-encryption). Here's the video (in German): https://youtu.be/zAV-hTp…
It may sound exaggerated but when I think about it, every interaction with german government sponsored software I had, has been rather terrible. Admittedly, it weren't that many occassions, but in comparison enterprise software generally felt like progressive and forward thinking as hell.
I think you have a very valid point here. Still, their intentions are worrying.
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#144If you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, citizen. This is for your own protection, citizen. Your prompt compliance in this matter is appreciated, citizen.
Get back in the designated free-speech zone.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
And not just a few years ago, this is an ongoing issue. For instance, a government minister in Hessen tries to ensure that this politician from AfD (in opposition to the ruling CDU/SDP coalition) should not be able to work as a teacher. http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/er-hatte-sport-und-geschi...
You're conveniently letting out the part about the racist remarks which are the actual cause. I'm all in favor of not letting racists teach children.
> racist remarks which are the actual cause
That's very convenient.
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#146Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens
#147This is the correct path forward to move society into a digital era. It follows the well established principle that the state uses force in legally proscribed ways to maintain security. Known as the “monopoly of the legitimate use of force”, this is a core concept of modern law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence). This concept carries over cleanly from the past into the digital era. In this case govt security forces are committing digital violence in the same way that criminals do. Same thing as when the SWAT team breaks down a door, just a digital version.
The alternative is that the government co-opts manufacturers so that government agencies can carry out security tasks without using digital violence. That’s what the FBI is seeking in the Apple case and it is a much worse direction for society because it challenges the existence of strong security in our increasingly digital society.
Note that the legitimate use of force is done according to law. As stated in the article, “In order to use the malware, government officials will have to get a court order, allowing authorities to hack into a citizen's system.”. If your objection to this is “they say that it’s done according to law but we know there will also be instances of them using it inappropriately” then you are also arguing that strong encryption (and pretty much any interesting technology) should not be allowed for public use because we know there will also be instances of it being used to achieve bad ends.
I understand that the reality of police, military, etc are not as nice as the theory but I have not seen people here explicitly rejecting the use of force by the state. If you oppose the German government employing spyware, you should consider whether you also oppose it arresting people in general. I suspect most people here have no alternative to suggest in place of the centuries of legal tradition that western societies are built on.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're looking for samples you'll probably find sufficient if you're looking for NPD affiliates (they're not illegal either). If you look up cases where the affiliation is left-wing or anarchist you'll find even more. The standards for teachers are really very strict [1] - the must be "weltanschaulich neutral". There's certainly a debate to be had about whether they're too strict, but IMHO, Höcke is so far across…
When I started working in public sector I had to sign that I'm not a member of an unconstitutional group. As examples it included a list similar to this one: https://www.justiz.bayern.de/media/pdf/verzeichnis_extrorgan... It includes left-wing, right-wing, and islamist extremist groups. Interestingly this list also contains the leftist party "Die Linke" which now has been a member of the federal parliament for a rath…
Very interesting list, but perhaps it is meant to include some hardline former members of the SED?
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#149Civilians are now subject to an unprecedented level of surveillance. It would be a mistake to underestimate the probabilities of abuse of personal and private information. The 'justifications' for spying are as endless as the means for carrying it out; in 2001 it was Al Queda, today it's ISIL and tomorrow it will be something else. Exactly how these surveillance programs are implemented is beside the point. The results are very clearly a loss of privacy and freedom of expression. Whether or not you're likely to become a security threat will be left to the interpretation of bureaucrats rummaging through your Evernote entries and text messages.
Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens
#150I doubt they have capable programmers working for them. A few years ago the Chaos Computer Club discovered the 'predecessor' version of this State-Trojan ("Bundestrojaner"). This version was a perfect example what happens when you _want_ to have such a software but your programmers _suck_ at even most basic things (like establishing a working traffic-encryption). Here's the video (in German): https://youtu.be/zAV-hTp…
Maybe they currently don't have capable programmers but I've definitely known programmers from Germany very capable of doing such. Whether they can hire / find them or not is another thing entirely. Indeed the issue with creating a massive backdoor into everyone's system is how insecure a backdoor can and will always be, if the wrong person exploits it you now have an entire country as a botnet?