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“Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Personally, I don't understand why the people in the first article, that this one is about, were upset that someone of another religion wanted to adhere to their faith. It seems fairly reasonable that, on air planes non-the-less, that you will encounter many cultures that seem strange to you. Why would that aggravate you?

It really is a case of some being too easily offended. One woman was offended that a Hasidic Orthodox Jew would not sit by her, thinking it was hatred of women. In reality, the man is following his convictions to avoid touching women other than his wife.

Actually, it seems to be an external blaming behavior in that at least one of the people involved said he didn't want to be tempted when his wife wasn’t there. That would imply that, by either touching or being near the woman, that she would become desirable to him by some behavior. It's that behavior that is being judged (and frequently pre-judged) by these people based on their beliefs, which is at the root of the problem.

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Thank you for de-clickbaiting the title

Is there any documentation on what a clickbait title? HN has guidelines on what to do when the title starts with a number, but the only line about clickbaiting is kind of generic.[1] Personally, I'm not sure if "I'll know it when I see it" is the best policy for this, as different people have different opinions on what clickbait is. And then we have the problem of people just commenting on the act of editing the titl…

I'm not sure I understand all the rage here against "clickbait" titles. I generally reserve a few down votes for folks that come in simply to comment on whether or not the title qualifies as "clickbait" -- comments like these truly add nothing to the conversation.

One of the purposes of a title on the web is to convince you to click on it. Good titles drive traffic. I don't get why we all get so hung up on how titles are written. If you don't like how something is worded, don't click on it.

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post #8

This is a really naive search method for a person whose job is to be good at this. It's like watching the Spotlight team going through volumes of data themselves… Isn't Data Journalist a thing already?

i disagree. i don't think the author's search method is intuitive at all. i think, even for a journalist, it's normal behavior to search by proper nouns and words of specificity, rather than pronouns and what we normally deem "filler" words such as "me" and "my".

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post #22

Personally, I don't understand why the people in the first article, that this one is about, were upset that someone of another religion wanted to adhere to their faith. It seems fairly reasonable that, on air planes non-the-less, that you will encounter many cultures that seem strange to you. Why would that aggravate you?

It really is a case of some being too easily offended. One woman was offended that a Hasidic Orthodox Jew would not sit by her, thinking it was hatred of women. In reality, the man is following his convictions to avoid touching women other than his wife.

No, it's absolutely not. It's a case of someone engaging in deep sexism under the cover of their religion, and it should trouble anyone with a daughter or sister or wife.

Whether that sexism is 'hatred' like you are holding out as a possibility, a patronizing/patriarchal "women should be protected", or a repressive "I don't want to sully a woman with my sexual thoughts about her", they are all deeply problematic beliefs for putting together a civil society that treats all people with equal rights.

It is doubly objectionable because he is putting the onus on the woman who does not share his perspective to solve his problem. He could have traveled using another conveyance, or purchased seats around him if he had preferred a different seating setup.

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post #22

Personally, I don't understand why the people in the first article, that this one is about, were upset that someone of another religion wanted to adhere to their faith. It seems fairly reasonable that, on air planes non-the-less, that you will encounter many cultures that seem strange to you. Why would that aggravate you?

It really is a case of some being too easily offended. One woman was offended that a Hasidic Orthodox Jew would not sit by her, thinking it was hatred of women. In reality, the man is following his convictions to avoid touching women other than his wife.

> In reality, the man is following his convictions to avoid touching women other than his wife.

I don't get how that works. Just because you sit next to someone doesn't mean tou have to fondle them, right?

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Personally, I don't understand why the people in the first article, that this one is about, were upset that someone of another religion wanted to adhere to their faith. It seems fairly reasonable that, on air planes non-the-less, that you will encounter many cultures that seem strange to you. Why would that aggravate you?

You have the freedom to practice your religion. You don't have the freedom to interfere with a planeload of other people.

> When passengers started to board, he said, an ultra-Orthodox man stood in the aisle, refusing to move and delaying the departure for 15 to 20 minutes until another passenger volunteered to switch seats.

That's wasting 75 hours because he didn't make his needs clear before hand, or didn't take the option of paying for an extra seat.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have different standards of behaviour according to their social background. I think the average American or European would be unhappy if someone said "I won't sit next to this person because they're black" for whatever reason, personal, religious etc. The same people consider gender discrimination to be approximately as bad as race discrimination. The Hisidic person in question has some kind of problem with wo…

Would it be fair to say that since I am from America that I should get upset at anyone who wears a hijab for their own religious purposes? Covering women is very anti-American, specifically being prominent in the most recent generations. Yet, as civilized people, we can come to the understanding that even though I don't support something doesn't mean that I have to tell others how to live their lives or expect them t…

Oddly, almost this exact issue was a major issue in the recent Canadian federal election. The Conservative government attempted to ban niqabs during citizenship ceremonies. They went so far as to appeal lower court rulings that doing so was against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They lost the election and the new Liberal government ended the attempt to ban the Niqab.

Interestingly, as the Conservative government kept falling in the polls, they even said that they would consider banning Niqabs for public servants!! It sounds so bizarre that a sitting Canadian government would suggest such a thing, but the 2015 federal election was a first class, direct flight to bizarro world.

This is the best article that I can find on this issue. It isn't great, but if I have more time later, I'll replace it with a better citation.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpo...

On a style note, I have no idea if the word niqab should be capitalized. My iPhone autocorrects it to be capitalized, but it doesn't look correct. Can anyone help?

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have different standards of behaviour according to their social background. I think the average American or European would be unhappy if someone said "I won't sit next to this person because they're black" for whatever reason, personal, religious etc. The same people consider gender discrimination to be approximately as bad as race discrimination. The Hisidic person in question has some kind of problem with wo…

Would it be fair to say that since I am from America that I should get upset at anyone who wears a hijab for their own religious purposes? Covering women is very anti-American, specifically being prominent in the most recent generations. Yet, as civilized people, we can come to the understanding that even though I don't support something doesn't mean that I have to tell others how to live their lives or expect them t…

> Would it be fair to say that since I am from America that I should get upset at anyone who wears a hijab for their own religious purposes?

No. However, you would be entitled to be upset if they demanded that you wear a hijab for their religious purposes.

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your argument exactly? That they should have used narrower terms until they found an article that was already written?

They use a syntax-aware search (thus refining for ME, MY, …). I thought (hoped) that journalists among all people would be the best at semantic search. Here the guy is just saying "whoa great dude and next I'll use regexps oh my god woaw". We have word2vec, doc2vec, many cores, … why aren't journalists using the tools they should be using?

That's an interesting question - if you read the stories of how Edward Snowden's story came to light, you'll find that his main issue with Glenn Greenwald was to get the guy to use technology properly.

Hopefully out of the many tech heads who read HN, one will have the same thought as you and build the tool.

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