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The Seven Habits of Highly Depolarizing People

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post #4

So, soon it's time to elect another scapegoat, a social lightning rod. U.S. presidents seem to get blamed (and sometimes praised) for things they can't really control.

President Trump might be the only thing that can unite both of the parties. Against him, of course.

Re: The Seven Habits of Highly Depolarizing People

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I find the idea that the current level of polarization is unprecedented kind of questionable. McCarthyist purges? The violence of the Reconstruction era, which followed a literal Civil War? Compared to that people calling each other mean names seems like small potatoes.

Re: The Seven Habits of Highly Depolarizing People

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One of my favorite quotes actually embodies this pretty well. "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

Not without its dangers. Doublethink: "The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the whil…

Could awareness of the tension between the two be the difference between doublethink and intelligence, as defined by GP?

I love the irony in following the first quote by holding both quotes in my mind, and considering that there is some wisdom to both.

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One of my favorite quotes actually embodies this pretty well. "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

Not without its dangers. Doublethink: "The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the whil…

Opposed ideas doesn't necessarily mean conflicting ideas.

For example, it's possible to appreciate that in the US people need some means of getting an education in order to get a job while at the same time realizing the demand for quality education far outstrips supply, which when paired with federal loans inflates the cost of education so much that it puts it farther out of reach for people.

That's a problem with a solution that exacerbated the problem while trying to solve it. Processing both doesn't involve telling deliberate lies, it just means the solution is more complex than we'd like to admit.

Re: The Seven Habits of Highly Depolarizing People

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post #21

I believe many of the problems of polarization are caused by cognitive dissonance [1] in particular "confirmation bias" (the article is sort of light on references to academic social psychology and cognitive behavior). Confirmation bias is often exarcebated with greater choices (as the number of choices brings greater discomfort). An example would be the GOP primaries (ie sheer number of candidates). I also think cer…

My irony bias makes me think that attributing problems to confirmation bias should be classified as a type of confirmation bias.

Perhaps I'm not as knowledgable in the area as you are (and thus think my critique/question trite). Maybe care to elaborate on the irony?

I posted it because the article doesn't bother to answer why the hell people are polarized in the first place. Its like saying America is fat.. here are 7 tips to get in shape... I also think the # prefix tips is clearly a click bait ploy albeit I a nice clever a play on Steven Covey's book title.

Wouldn't it be worthwhile to know why people become polarized in the first place or why we are so much now?

Re: The Seven Habits of Highly Depolarizing People

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTOH if you've reached a point where you are ready to accept both 'A' and 'not A', you need to go back and re-examine your premises/assumptions (sort of a real life example of reductio ad absurdum). Related example: accepting 'the left is delusional and corrupt' and 'the right is delusional and corrupt' leads one to re-examine the validity and usefulness of this whole left-right spectrum of political thought.

There's a difference between considering A and not A, and accepting A and not A. In formal logic, one or the other statement must be true. The point being made is that we should refrain from choosing the true statement until we've taken the time to consider both on their own merits.

On the other hand, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle#Critici...

Re: The Seven Habits of Highly Depolarizing People

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One of my favorite quotes actually embodies this pretty well. "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

Not without its dangers. Doublethink: "The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the whil…

Boy, this describes some people I've worked with to a T.

Re: The Seven Habits of Highly Depolarizing People

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IMO, A large part of the problem is people of different political views don't talk, face to face, enough. Like in war, it's easier to kill a "gook" or "haji" than a person.

The Internet makes it easy to dehumanize the other side; they're just avatars and words on your screen. It's a lot harder to hate an actual person, especially just for having a different opinion than you.

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Re: The Seven Habits of Highly Depolarizing People

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I closed this almost immediately because of the giant yellow "this is your free article for this month" banner on the top. Get your shit together web designers, I don't need something blaring so everyone in the office sees that it's my free article.

Yeah, I'm all for subscription model instead of ads but, as someone else said, it doesn't have to stalk you down the page. It's way too distracting and takes up enough real estate to be obnoxious.

Re: The Seven Habits of Highly Depolarizing People

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post #35

One of my favorite quotes actually embodies this pretty well. "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

That sounds like the definition of doublethink in Orwell's 1984.

It does sound like it on the surface, but doublethink was about the ability to think something was both true and false. What Fitzgerald was more likely getting at was the ability to assess and appreciate different choices and/or ideologies simultaneously.
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