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Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by agentgt »

sqlftw wrote: post #4

Many years ago I tried LSD, and for whatever reason, I never seemed to experience visual hallucinations. However, in recent years, cars have started having LED tail lights, which really bother my eyes. Several times I have asked my friends, "Aren't those terrible!?" to which they might reply, "They are pretty bright." Bright! They aren't just too bright, they are intensely STROBING! Can normal people not see that? Is…

I hate to continue your tangent but I do feel something that is relevant to the OP article are new vehicles that have blinking break lights.

Most people don't notice these new break lights (I think its on Chevy cars) but when the driver breaks there is a very fast and subtle blinking of the red tail lights (opposed to just the red tail lights being on for older cars).

I only noticed this blinking while under... but now I see it often but my wife does not. ie its similar to the pong bar "C" letter in the article.

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by 8d7a8 »

empath75 wrote: post #3

I don't know how they'll get their message past the machine elves from dimension 9 that also communicate with people on LSD.

I thought elves were limited to the DMT experience. At least I hoped that was the case.

I found this interesting at the end of the article, regarding the Control Interrupt model:

This inhibitory control mechanism occurs a discrete number of times per second. Therefore “control interruption” caused by psychedelics, in this model, is conceived as a periodical failure of inhibitory control that allows aspects of one’s experience to be sustained for longer than usual. The frequency of control interruption is specific to the psychedelic used. As the article conjures, salvia and nitrous oxide produce control interruption at a frequency of 8-11 and 12-15 Hz, respectively. On the other hand, DMT disrupts control at a much higher frequency (24-30+ Hz). This control interrupt creates “a standing hallucinogenic interference pattern in the consciousness of the subject”.

It's interesting that different substances might have measurably different effects on perception. Would be nice to see a bit more scientific study into this, maybe seeing if there is a link to fMRI data at all.

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by jackhack »

addled wrote: post #9
sqlftw wrote: post #4

Many years ago I tried LSD, and for whatever reason, I never seemed to experience visual hallucinations. However, in recent years, cars have started having LED tail lights, which really bother my eyes. Several times I have asked my friends, "Aren't those terrible!?" to which they might reply, "They are pretty bright." Bright! They aren't just too bright, they are intensely STROBING! Can normal people not see that? Is…

I see the strobing of LEDs if the lights are moving across my field of vision. I find it a pretty distracting as well.

This is because, as the source of light is moving across your field of vision, it is exciting different areas of your retina. With a stationary light source, persistence of vision (POV) would make the light source appear continuous, uninterrupted, because the rods/cones do not have time to clear the signal. You can perceive the LED being switched on and off as POV does not come into play.

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Post by to3m »

tyho wrote: post #7
sqlftw wrote: post #4

Many years ago I tried LSD, and for whatever reason, I never seemed to experience visual hallucinations. However, in recent years, cars have started having LED tail lights, which really bother my eyes. Several times I have asked my friends, "Aren't those terrible!?" to which they might reply, "They are pretty bright." Bright! They aren't just too bright, they are intensely STROBING! Can normal people not see that? Is…

Low frequancy PWM is annoying, it's not just you: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?104151-Ir...

Interesting video of the effect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpGUYbehSk

EDIT: Well, I thought it was interesting anyway... my ability to perceive flicker deteriorated markedly after the age of 30 but this way I can at least see how the camera sees it! (I will be keeping an eye out for this phenomenon now but I doubt I could spot it any more unless right out of the corner of my eye.)

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Post by DanBC »

8d7a8 wrote: post #5
sqlftw wrote: post #4

Many years ago I tried LSD, and for whatever reason, I never seemed to experience visual hallucinations. However, in recent years, cars have started having LED tail lights, which really bother my eyes. Several times I have asked my friends, "Aren't those terrible!?" to which they might reply, "They are pretty bright." Bright! They aren't just too bright, they are intensely STROBING! Can normal people not see that? Is…

I have had rainbow halos around street and car headlights since my early twenties. I first noticed it whilst tripping and have yet to determine whether the cause is physical or mental. Looks pretty though.

You noticed a change in your vision and you didn't go get it checked?

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by bmelton »

S_A_P wrote: post #2

From some of my past experience, I am skeptical. I think they make assumptions about what people will and wont see that just arent correct.

I suspect that they're right for certain brains on certain types of LSD, but as someone who once had a pipeline to the stuff, there are many different formulations that produce dramatically different effects.

Distinctly, I remember watching Mars Attacks in theaters (which should date the experience) on what was promised to be a "special" blend... how it was special, I have no idea, but the visualizations were very unique.

In lieu of the strobe effect this article discusses, everything instead morphed. When someone turned their head, for example, my eyes (brain?) saw their head briefly in both positions (with no gaps), and then they morphed from the first position into the second position, its path being trailed by a ghost of their heads.

It was unique, different, and I've never had another experience like it. Perhaps there was something in the mix that wasn't purely LSD, I honestly don't know, but from my (admittedly naive) understanding, not every trip produces the same effects as every other.

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by Tiksi »

8d7a8 wrote: post #5
sqlftw wrote: post #4

Many years ago I tried LSD, and for whatever reason, I never seemed to experience visual hallucinations. However, in recent years, cars have started having LED tail lights, which really bother my eyes. Several times I have asked my friends, "Aren't those terrible!?" to which they might reply, "They are pretty bright." Bright! They aren't just too bright, they are intensely STROBING! Can normal people not see that? Is…

I have had rainbow halos around street and car headlights since my early twenties. I first noticed it whilst tripping and have yet to determine whether the cause is physical or mental. Looks pretty though.

I've had that for as long as I can remember, I'm pretty sure its a light reflection/refraction kinda thing.

Re: Communicating with people on psychedelics

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Post by tedmiston »

It would be interesting to hear more about the micro-dosing part.

> Finally, we are currently experiencing a memetic explosion with regards to the use of micro-doses. .... A more noticeable enhancement would be observed on artists, writers and possibly mathematicians. It is genuinely exciting that there is a new wave of attention to this particular application of psychedelics: General, all-purpose life-enhancement.

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