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German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens

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Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens

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Post by embik »

actionwords wrote: post #5

Merkel has already told facebook and twitter to delete comments and ban accounts negative of her 'policies'.

This is not true at all. The German Government is asking Facebook to delete comments which could be categorized as hate speech ("Volksverhetzung" in German). These comments are not "negative of her policies", they are calling on people to kill, gas or otherwise attack refugees, politicans or journalists. They are simply asking Facebook to comply with German law.

Some comments comparable to those in question are curated at a tumblr blog (https://perlen-aus-freital.tumblr.com/). Those comments are anything but a political statement against Merkel's policies. They are born out of pure hatred.

Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens

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Post by actionwords »

js-coder wrote: post #22
actionwords wrote: post #5

Merkel has already told facebook and twitter to delete comments and ban accounts negative of her 'policies'.

She is asking them to remove racist comments that call for violence.

not true. simply removing 'thought criminals' from disseminating their views.

Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens

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Post by germanier »

actionwords wrote: post #13
gotchange wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source please? Anecdotally speaking, FB & TW are doing an awful job of complying with Merkel's "supposed orders" as I see people dissing her and her policies esp. immigration whether for or against all the time and in German too.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/27/angela-merkel-caught-on-hot-m... On the sidelines of a United Nations luncheon on Saturday, Merkel was caught on a hot mic pressing Zuckerberg about social media posts about the wave of Syrian refugees entering Germany, the publication reported. The Facebook CEO was overheard responding that "we need to do some work" on curtailing anti-immigrant posts about the refugee crisis. "Are you…

This does not concern mere anti-immigrant posts but those that are blatantly against long-existing German laws, such as calls for violence, incitement of the masses, trivialization the actions of the Nazi regime and so on. Those have been against Facebook's own community guidelines before but enforcement has been spotty.

Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens

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Post by actionwords »

embik wrote: post #21
actionwords wrote: post #5

Merkel has already told facebook and twitter to delete comments and ban accounts negative of her 'policies'.

This is not true at all. The German Government is asking Facebook to delete comments which could be categorized as hate speech ("Volksverhetzung" in German). These comments are not "negative of her policies", they are calling on people to kill, gas or otherwise attack refugees, politicans or journalists. They are simply asking Facebook to comply with German law. Some comments comparable to those in question are curat…

When a state defines 'hate speech' laws they're really defining 'thought criminal' laws.

Merkle and co. are trying to manipulate public opinion through the destruction of contrarian thought from the public realm.

Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens

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Post by js-coder »

actionwords wrote: post #23
js-coder wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She is asking them to remove racist comments that call for violence.

not true. simply removing 'thought criminals' from disseminating their views.

Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about

Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens

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Post by SXX »

brakmic wrote: post #15

I doubt they have capable programmers working for them. A few years ago the Chaos Computer Club discovered the 'predecessor' version of this State-Trojan ("Bundestrojaner"). This version was a perfect example what happens when you _want_ to have such a software but your programmers _suck_ at even most basic things (like establishing a working traffic-encryption). Here's the video (in German): https://youtu.be/zAV-hTp…

> I doubt they have any professional Linux programmers working for them. Working for the State also means earning only a fraction of what you can earn in the free market.

Fortunately for them there is enough of commercial companies already that sell high-quality spyware to any government that able to pay for it.

Re: German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens

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Post by embik »

actionwords wrote: post #26
embik wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true at all. The German Government is asking Facebook to delete comments which could be categorized as hate speech ("Volksverhetzung" in German). These comments are not "negative of her policies", they are calling on people to kill, gas or otherwise attack refugees, politicans or journalists. They are simply asking Facebook to comply with German law. Some comments comparable to those in question are curat…

When a state defines 'hate speech' laws they're really defining 'thought criminal' laws. Merkle and co. are trying to manipulate public opinion through the destruction of contrarian thought from the public realm.

No they are not (as outlined aboved). Death threats are not part of any public discourse nor political statements. People are able to oppose the government's policies without being silenced.

On a related note, the hate speech laws have not been introduced by the Merkel government.

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