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Re: Apple ordered to bypass auto-erase on San Bernadino shooter's iPhone

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1: Yes. 2: Yes. 3: No, but they will probably be the ones asked anyway, and then yes, they would be legally required. 4: Apple. 5: What's the question? Is the question will they be compensated? Then yes. 6: They can't. They don't own their stock. Bad PR is not a good enough reason. You are treating the court like a mathematical proof and finding edge cases. I used to as well. But courts don't work that way at all - t…

>They analyze things on a human level This (and the job prospects) are the reason I choose computer science/software engineering over being a lawyer even though most people who commented on what I should be say I should be a lawyer. The law requires not just thinking like a human, but accepting such thought as valid. To me the logic is exactly the same behind any racist who makes special exceptions for all minority p…

You NEED human emotion not just logic when making laws.

Pure logic is like 100% free markets with zero oversight and government interference, it looks good on paper but not in practice.

Human emotion in laws add things like forgiveness, understanding and compassion, things that mathematics can't help with. I know that it also adds greed, unfairness and discrimination hence the reason it is a constant struggle to find the right balance.

Re: Apple ordered to bypass auto-erase on San Bernadino shooter's iPhone

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Why?

Even ignoring Godel - take the stuff that's been legal in the past & not anymore. Slavery? Restricted Suffrage? Genocide? Witch trials? Heroin? Or stuff that's been illegal before Inter-racial marriage? Hemp? Gay marriage? Due process isn't enough for a legal system to work - the law has to change & revocable Axioms aren't exactly a thing. In fact, my sister goes on and on about Jurisprudence in such discussions - le…

> revocable Axioms aren't exactly a thing

Aren't revocable axioms why there are different geometries?

Re: Apple ordered to bypass auto-erase on San Bernadino shooter's iPhone

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I was going to ask what happens if Apple says no! I don't know what the next step of FBI will be. What do you think? Can Apple be sued over this? Can they say okay give us the device and we will give you the data but not the actual 'modified os'? (Or we'll just have to find out?)

> what happens if Apple says no. They would be fined, or executives charged with contempt of court and possible jail time. That would also make the Judge mad at them, and not likely to agree to anything they ask. The Judge has a LOT of power - he can impose some really high fines, and that's just to start with. Apple will not mess with him. > I don't know what the next step of FBI will be. Not FBI. If the Judge says…

Thank you for taking the time to reply. That is what I wanted to know.

Re: Apple ordered to bypass auto-erase on San Bernadino shooter's iPhone

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But, as Schrodinger says, this is not about your fingerprint; it is about a bit of information you have that the government does not have: which of your finger(s) this device knows about. "A bit of information you have that the government does not have" is a password.

I really don't understand this line of thinking. What is the scenario you imagine where the question of "which finger?" is relevant? I'll lay out the beginning: - Police want to get into your phone for some reason - You refuse to help them based on 5th Amendment or admiralty law or whatever - They go to court for a order compelling you to operate the touch lock to open the phone - You receive the order - ? Please lay…

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