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Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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Even when specifically attempting to refrain from doing so, it's impossible to speak of Nazi Germany without resorting to simplifying them into cartoon evil or as a moral object lesson from which to derive meaningful instruction and insight. The terrible truth is they were entirely normal people who followed an entirely normal path of self-interest. There is nothing remarkable about them and no special insight into human nature to be learned. The Nazis were a reaction against the rise of Marxist Communism, a terrifying spectre already responsible for genocide at the time of the party's founding, and with whom many party members had engaged with directly during the turmoil after WWI.

That Marxist Communism had taken hold of Russia largely through the efforts of outsiders was not lost on the Nazis and their distrust and fear of anyone not truly German was entirely sensible. That among these outsiders Jews played an inordinately large role was a commonly understood meme of the day. (And when looking at the Bolshevik leadership and financial backers, it is an unassailable fact, though it's currently heresy to say so.) German Jews during the party's rise were also an inordinately powerful group in German industry, finance, and media. Given the context, it was not irrational to seek to remove a minority group with questionable loyalties from such positions and prevent them from retaking them.

Throw in a Weimar period of social degeneracy and economic upheaval along with the rest of the world laying blame upon your people as being solely responsible for one of the greatest calamities experienced by western civilization and a nationalistic party that emphasized the inherent strength and value of the nation's ethnic stock was exactly what the German people needed to regain their dignity. The only lesson to be learned from the Nazis is that war should be avoided at all costs. The corollary being that if you are to fight a war, make sure you will prevail else your nation will be raped and split up and your people will be treated for the next century as though they were the greatest evil that has ever been visited upon the Earth. (And no one will learn anything from it.)

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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Nazism has nothing to do with race and nationality. It appeals to a certain type of mind. It's not Nazism that should occupy the thoughts of intellectuals. It's the underlying psychology of the in-group/out-grouping and jingoism. There's nothing qualitatively exceptional about Nazis. They were just one point in a spectrum of behavior within the range of possible human behaviors. The challenge to society is that socie…

There's a secondary point here, too, though:

>He fits easily into whatever pattern is successful. That is his sole measure of value—success.

>Nazism as a minority movement would not attract him. As a movement likely to attain power, it would.

Many people can become swept up into revolutionary-esque fervors. For a desire to be on the winning side, for a change from a lackluster status quo, and in some cases for a chance of attaining some power themselves.

It usually involves some sort of in-group behavior, with elements of nationalism or elitism or an equivalent, but it doesn't have to necessarily. You could potentially apply this to early Russian Communists. Not all of them, for sure. Many truly believed in the ideology and wanted to implement it. But you need a lot of the sort of people described in this article to sustain a major revolution.

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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The anti-Nazi propaganda always reads so much like the pro-Nazi propaganda. Good, honest, beautiful, happy people think like this...

And just today there's a clickbait story making the rounds (again) about how Hitler had a tiny penis and only one testicle. Because that explains... everything?

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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Nazism has nothing to do with race and nationality. It appeals to a certain type of mind. It's not Nazism that should occupy the thoughts of intellectuals. It's the underlying psychology of the in-group/out-grouping and jingoism. There's nothing qualitatively exceptional about Nazis. They were just one point in a spectrum of behavior within the range of possible human behaviors. The challenge to society is that socie…

Keep in mind the date: this was written in 1941 and yet pre-sages much of "authoritarian personality" of Fromm et al, evolutionary psychology (e.g., seeing the all-powerful state/demagogue as an ersatz romantic partner), the idea of "self-esteem", and Public Choice economics (e.g., Mr. L). That makes the article all the more brilliant and interesting to read, as it demonstrates that many of the above theories are not…

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Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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Even when specifically attempting to refrain from doing so, it's impossible to speak of Nazi Germany without resorting to simplifying them into cartoon evil or as a moral object lesson from which to derive meaningful instruction and insight. The terrible truth is they were entirely normal people who followed an entirely normal path of self-interest. There is nothing remarkable about them and no special insight into h…

It's not too often I see /pol/-speak (or /pol/ usernames) on HN.

>German Jews during the party's rise were also an inordinately powerful group in German industry, finance, and media.

The German Communist Party had a very low percentage of Jewish membership. The Weimar KPD was only 0.7% Jewish in 1927. At the end of the Weimar republic, only about 1.5% of all officers were Jewish, and only one of the leaders was Jewish (Heinz Neumann). A year later, Hitler gained power, and there were no longer any Jewish leaders of the party.

Judeo-Bolshevism is a myth no matter how you look at it. There is sometimes a disproportionate amount of Jewish representation in certain movements around the world, but these can be explained by factors other than conspiracy.

You could say that Nazism was, in part, a reaction to the spread of communism. But it was an irrational overreaction, and also partly a pretext for Hitler's overall racial and societal ideals. Hitler would have still wanted to implement much of his plans even if communism never existed in the East. He just would have been likely to rise to power.

Re: Who Goes Nazi? (1941)

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Very interesting to hear this from a contempory standpoint. Nazis as so often portrayed as purely evil that it's difficult to think of them as real people that willingly accepted that way of thinking.

This is my biggest beef with most WWII movies/games. They most horrifying aspect of Nazis, Fascists, and tyrants is that they're made up and supported by real people. People with loved ones just trying to get by in the world. Given the right conditions, it genuinely seems that any culture or peoples could be turned into a place where concentration camps, genocide, and oppression are just part of making the trains run…

And once the condition is over they quickly revert back to being normal people where it's hard to imagine they could commit such atrocities.
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