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Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Time for the other so-called broadband providers to shake in their boots. I like companies that have no respect for established business models. In this perspective, despite its size, I think it's fair to call Google a start-up.

I think this is more around trying to force the broadband providers to get their act together. Scare them ;0)

They use the scare tactics a lot, but they didn't work in the wireless spectrum auction did they?

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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I think Google would be better off partnering with existing service providers for this project. It's a hugely complex process to start from scratch. Getting the pole rights alone to build infrastructure is going to take them years. In some area's within the span of a mile you might pass poles owned by half a dozen different entities. Most of them owned by incumbent Internet service providers who will tell you the pol…

I would think it would be good for Google to partner with the local non-telco / non-cable provider of utilities. The local electric or gas company (who is used to commodity business models) would be a ideal. They already have access to the houses and would make a good "franchise" partner. They probably wouldn't mind another "dumb pipe".

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A bigger issue issue for who? Telecommunications companies have decided that it's not worth investing much in connections to low density areas. If there are enough people clicking on ads in those places to make it worthwhile, maybe Google will provide connections in those areas. If that doesn't happen, I don't see any justification for subsidizing people's connections above a level that is necessary for basic access…

That's the thing, I think internet access is essential to being an educated citizen nowadays, and many websites are no longer viable for dialup users to visit. High speed internet for all should be placed on the same level of importance as education for all.

Satellite internet speeds are acceptable for web browsing and is available everywhere. I'd consider subsiding the costs of such connections for those who can't afford it. My understanding is that things like Universal Service Fees subsidize even those who can afford it.

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Yeah, after Google starts selling broadband significantly below cost, no real ISP will be able to meet customers' inflated expectations.

It's not in Google's best interests to reduce competition in the telecommunications industry. If they offer bandwidth at such a low cost that it threatens the viability of existing providers, they have to commit to providing that bandwidth in perpetuity. Their current business model requires bandwidth, and replacing that by raising bandwidth prices in the future when competitors have been eliminated would be met with…

I'm not worried about Google becoming a monopolist and raising prices; I'm concerned that they'll offer unsustainable (or even free) pricing in a small trial and many people will begin to expect other ISPs to match that pricing in nationwide deployments. Much like the complaints that US broadband sucks compared to South Korea, but worse.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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I'm not sure this will have the effect on competition some around here think it will. The only way this will cause traditional providers to lower their rates and increase their capacity is if they actually feel threatened by Google's offering. 50,000 - 500,000 people is just not going to be enough to impact any of the big player's bottom lines. Comcast has 15 million Internet customers. Are they really going to mis 50,000 of them?

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Time for the other so-called broadband providers to shake in their boots. I like companies that have no respect for established business models. In this perspective, despite its size, I think it's fair to call Google a start-up.

Like what Gmail did to all the e-mail provider/administrators who said anything over a 100MB Inbox was too expensive.

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I think this is more around trying to force the broadband providers to get their act together. Scare them ;0)

The way Google throws products on the market to increase competition for the benefit of its core products ... it's genius. Are there any other companies that do this?

Yes, tons. See "commoditize your complements". Microsoft is a master of this as well.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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I don't understand why the go for the 1gbit fiber to the home. it would be more helpfull to their business if everybody in the u.s would have 2 or 5 or 10mbit/sec in a short time , then if everybody has 1gbit/sec in a much longer time.

Also , does anybody know mass market applications that require more then 10mbit up/10mbit down?

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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Or downloading a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five minutes. Did you hear that? It sounded as if millions of hollywood executives suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...

Was that what it was? Because I think it sounded a lot like scandinavia sighing that we've had this for a decade. (I'm sure other countries has too, the US really has backwater infrastructure.)

Admittedly this probably has a lot to do with luddite technology policy, but surely it has more to do with the U.S. having 10 times the land mass and 15 times the population as Scandanavia [1].

[1] Stats from Wikipedia, summing Norway + Sweden + Denmark area and most recent population vs. United States.

Re: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

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I'm not sure this will have the effect on competition some around here think it will. The only way this will cause traditional providers to lower their rates and increase their capacity is if they actually feel threatened by Google's offering. 50,000 - 500,000 people is just not going to be enough to impact any of the big player's bottom lines. Comcast has 15 million Internet customers. Are they really going to mis 5…

Here are the Sub numbers for digital tv providers. http://www.ncta.com/Stats/TopMSOs.aspx
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