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Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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Do you have any science to back those claims up? What are you basing it on?

On the brain.fm they list results, but they are super flimsy. For focus, for example, n=17, and the difference between music vs non-music is much smaller than the standard deviation of either group. So it's possible this stuff helps you focus, but it doesn't appear to be showing up on these studies.

It's actually a really good result, for a number of reasons. But I'll let Giovanni respond to this later and clarify (he's the neuroscientist that wrote the paper).

I apologize for the delay, he's dealing with some family and health problems right now. But I promise we'll clear this up.

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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Since you mentioned "the smallest pop", I thought you might be interested to know that the volume slider causes discontinuity pops, at least on Firefox, and could benefit from some smoothing. Very nice music on the site!

Ahh! Damnit! I did not know that, sorry. Audio playback is remarkably inconsistent between browsers, or even between the same browser versions in different environments. It's a big headache. Glad you dig the music :)

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Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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Hey man, about to respond to your other question, but there was a similar question earlier so thought I'd just take this one first. Here's a bibliography we're still working on. More to add, but a good start so far: https://www.brain.fm/pdfs/ResearchLibrary.pdf Here's an independent peer reviewed study on HRV using our tech: https://www.brain.fm/pdfs/ElioConteHRVandBWE.pdf We're planning on following that one up with…

I appreciate your honesty here. If I'm reading it right, result of the focus study is that the Music-Placebo difference is at p=0.044, 0.041, 0.048. So it is significant (under 0.05) but "just barely", which is always a warning sign, especially if the study was done and published by the company itself.

It's actually a very very good result for the tests we did. A similar study using a boatload of caffeine couldn't reach statistical significance. Also I believe strongly that if we'd compared it to say, classical music or some random ambient album, it would have been an even stronger result. The placebo in this study was still generated by the AI, so it followed the same rules - rules that naturally help people focus. The only thing it lacked was the brainwave stimulating modulations. We did see a big difference on an EEG because of that, but the fact is that part of what makes the sessions work is that they follow strict rules, and there's nothing wrong with that. It just makes it harder in this case.

But I actually like it like that. I want a double blind study with identical-sounding placebo and more subjects. After that we can study how it compares to regular music commonly used as study-aids.

Regarding the statistical analysis, result interpretation, etc, I feel I should let Giovanni himself defend his paper. He's dealing with family / health issues right now, but I hope to get him on here as soon as possible. I promise he will respond eventually and clear this up.

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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After a quick little look through the Terms of Service... > IT IS ALSO SOLELY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO EVALUATE THE ACCURACY, COMPLETENESS, USEFULNESS OR VALIDITY OF ALL OPINIONS, ADVICE, SERVICE, PROMOTIONS, ADVERTISEMENTS, AWARDS, PRIZES OR OTHER INFORMATION, AND THE QUALITY AND MERCHANTABILITY OF ALL SERVICES AND/OR MERCHANDISE, PROVIDED BY OR THROUGH BRAIN.FM. BRAIN.FM MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS, WARRANTIES OR ENDORS…

It's just a standard TOS, man. Here's the Terms Of Service for Yale: I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING ANY WRITTEN CONFIRMATION STATEMENTS PROVIDED TO ME (ON PAPER OR IN ELECTRONIC FORM) REGARDING ANY INSTRUCTIONS, CHOICES, OR REQUESTS THAT I MAKE THROUGH THIS WEB SITE. I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING FOR INACCURACIES ALL OF THE INFORMATION TRANSMITTED TO ME. IF THERE ARE INACCURACIES, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR CORRECTING THE…

Nah I mean I just read it and it basically gives the impression that there's no merit to the claims and any and all results are subject to personal interpretation.

Or, to put it in more simple terms pending peer reviewed, refereed scientific findings, Brain.Fm is the HeadOn of audio.

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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I have tried a both a 15-minute "quick relax" session and a full 8-hour sleep session. Based on the "quick relax" session, I assumed this music was based primarily on binaural beats (hence the need for headphones), but the sleep session didn't seem to use the beats as strongly (if at all). I have trouble sleeping at night due to both stress and restless leg syndrome, and while this music didn't put me to sleep right…

Glad you enjoyed it! Not to add to your expenses, but definitely invest in some "sleep phones." I like the Took's brand, and it's the cheapest. You can lay completely on your side and the wafer-thin speakers don't bother you at all. Pretty decent sound quality too. Sleep-phones are unfortunately essential to get the most out of the session, especially as an insomniac. (to be clear, I have no affiliation with any head…

I'm having a hard time finding the "sleep phones" by any brand named Took that you referred to. Would you mind sharing a link to them?

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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Honest feedback — I tried the service for 20 minutes (that's the amount of time that life allowed) and it felt promising. But you are fighting a hard battle here: * "6 free sessions left" might not be enough for me to make sure that the music doesn't engage my creative hemisphere too much (I see this problem with most musical content), * the pricing is fairly high. I'm in Poland and I pay $5 a month for Spotify, this…

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated! There is discussion about extending the trial, and I agree completely. And we're almost done with both the iPhone app and the Android app! Stay tuned :) Good point about Spotify. I could have sworn I pay $10 for it. Around $8 for Netflix, unless I'm mistaken. At any rate, I try to stay out of the business processes that go into making those decisions, for my own sanity, with…

Spotify and Netflix pricing varies by region. If you're in the US, you likely to pay $10 for it but the person you're responding to is in Poland and pays 19,99 PLN which is $5 USD.

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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I have tried a both a 15-minute "quick relax" session and a full 8-hour sleep session. Based on the "quick relax" session, I assumed this music was based primarily on binaural beats (hence the need for headphones), but the sleep session didn't seem to use the beats as strongly (if at all). I have trouble sleeping at night due to both stress and restless leg syndrome, and while this music didn't put me to sleep right…

Glad you enjoyed it! Not to add to your expenses, but definitely invest in some "sleep phones." I like the Took's brand, and it's the cheapest. You can lay completely on your side and the wafer-thin speakers don't bother you at all. Pretty decent sound quality too. Sleep-phones are unfortunately essential to get the most out of the session, especially as an insomniac. (to be clear, I have no affiliation with any head…

As I'm sure you're aware, restless leg is an odd "itch" that can only be "scratched" by movement (for lack of any good words to describe it). The movement isn't compulsory, but the discomfort becomes overwhelming without it. I suspect the sensation is there all the time and not just at night, but there are enough other stimuli during the day to drown it out. The brain.fm music seems to have been effective for the same reason, providing a welcome distraction from the sensation.

Restless leg is supposedly a mineral deficiency, but my blood work comes out normal, and supplements haven't been helpful. Up until now, the only remedy I've found is working out in the middle of the night, which replaces the restless sensation with a tired-from-exercise sensation. This only works if I can fall asleep before the exercise wears off. The brain.fm effect is less powerful than exercise, but doesn't have a time limit for falling asleep. I wonder if this is unique to brain.fm, or if it would work with any other type of music.

Besides distracting from restless leg syndrome, the brain.fm music was quite relaxing (more so than ambient or nature music normally would be). I did notice the 3D effect, and wondered what that was about. There is clearly something going on here, but I don't have the knowledge or tools to say what. It sounds like your EEG sleep studies have done just that, so thanks for mentioning those. I had no idea it was so measurable.

This would be worthwhile it if the results are as good as you say they are. I've gone ahead and purchased the headphones - for science! Thanks for the offer, and for your epically-long reply. This type of thing is fascinating to me.

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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Glad you enjoyed it! Not to add to your expenses, but definitely invest in some "sleep phones." I like the Took's brand, and it's the cheapest. You can lay completely on your side and the wafer-thin speakers don't bother you at all. Pretty decent sound quality too. Sleep-phones are unfortunately essential to get the most out of the session, especially as an insomniac. (to be clear, I have no affiliation with any head…

I'm having a hard time finding the "sleep phones" by any brand named Took that you referred to. Would you mind sharing a link to them?

The website had a link to the headphones in one of the FAQ documents. They are called "Tooks NextGen SPORTEC BAND" ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01459BC7G)

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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I appreciate your honesty here. If I'm reading it right, result of the focus study is that the Music-Placebo difference is at p=0.044, 0.041, 0.048. So it is significant (under 0.05) but "just barely", which is always a warning sign, especially if the study was done and published by the company itself.

It's actually a very very good result for the tests we did. A similar study using a boatload of caffeine couldn't reach statistical significance. Also I believe strongly that if we'd compared it to say, classical music or some random ambient album, it would have been an even stronger result. The placebo in this study was still generated by the AI, so it followed the same rules - rules that naturally help people focus…

> I believe strongly that if we'd compared it to say, classical music or some random ambient album, it would have been an even stronger result.

Strong beliefs like that are still just hunches.

> I want a double blind study with identical-sounding placebo and more subjects. After that we can study how it compares to regular music commonly used as study-aids.

My problem is that you already decided that it "dramatically improves focus, relaxation and sleep". What if the new better study doesn't show the effect? Will you dissolve the company? Will you just change the marketing?

I'd also suggest "triple-blinding" the study, i.e. the person who does the statistical analysis on the computer should also not know which music was which.

Re: AI generated music to improve focus, relaxation and sleep

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post #177

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Honest feedback — I tried the service for 20 minutes (that's the amount of time that life allowed) and it felt promising. But you are fighting a hard battle here: * "6 free sessions left" might not be enough for me to make sure that the music doesn't engage my creative hemisphere too much (I see this problem with most musical content), * the pricing is fairly high. I'm in Poland and I pay $5 a month for Spotify, this…

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated! There is discussion about extending the trial, and I agree completely. And we're almost done with both the iPhone app and the Android app! Stay tuned :) Good point about Spotify. I could have sworn I pay $10 for it. Around $8 for Netflix, unless I'm mistaken. At any rate, I try to stay out of the business processes that go into making those decisions, for my own sanity, with…

I also want to discourage the use of "sessions." Lost one because I didn't change the time limit. Lost one because my computer/browser restarted. I'm wary of clicking things like 'skip' now, despite knowing that I could just incognito it. A thirty or even seven day trial would be much better!
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