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HACKER NEWS FTW!!
Something tells me it wasn't related to Hacker News.
We did it re-- HN!
React.js Conf live stream [video]
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Re: React.js Conf live stream [video]
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It's beyond amazing imo. Tricky in some areas but I just launched a pretty complex app in 4 months with 100% attention given to both android + ios, and it was just 1.5 developers (averaged over time).
Would you mind sharing a link to the app? I haven't seen (that I'm aware of) many apps using React Native.
You could take a look at [1] which features the list of apps using react native.
Re: React.js Conf live stream [video]
#63Wow the comments in here are awful. How about some constructive discussions folks? If you're not impressed by React or don't think it's useful, what, if anything, can we say or show you to convince you otherwise? I'm assuming that's what you're here - for knowledge - otherwise, why are you here?
I'm glad there have been no major announcements. This isn't an Apple keynote. We should want our tools to be predictable, stable, and paid attention to. Introducing more React stuff would be cool, don't get me wrong. But some of us are actually trying to build products and having stability and feature depth is more important than throwing React at another problem. The React team is fairly small and so they should stick to solving specific problems. There's still lots to be done in React Native.
Looking forward to seeing what the second half of the day brings. A lot of this stuff isn't particularly new to me but that's ok too. It's good to see they're still doing talks which introduce new users.
Re: React.js Conf live stream [video]
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As opposed to just dropping into my page? No thanks.
So create a web component that wraps draft.js?
So your answer is to require pulling in an entire view library just to make a simple rich text editor work?
Also, I'm disheartened by the simple, anonymous down votes my comments are receiving rather than actual rebuttals. At least you had the decency to respond.
Re: React.js Conf live stream [video]
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So create a web component that wraps draft.js?
So your answer is to require pulling in an entire view library just to make a simple rich text editor work? Also, I'm disheartened by the simple, anonymous down votes my comments are receiving rather than actual rebuttals. At least you had the decency to respond.
As far as I know it’s not a “simple” text editor and it solves a pretty complex problem. This might provide you with some additional context:
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11153935
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11153945
That said you’re absolutely not “required” to use it. It will be handy to React users because it fits into its component model and thus doesn’t have to implement the reconciliation from scratch. If you don’t use React you might not find it as handy. In this case you might like to use [ProseMirror](https://prosemirror.net/) instead.
Re: React.js Conf live stream [video]
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So create a web component that wraps draft.js?
So your answer is to require pulling in an entire view library just to make a simple rich text editor work? Also, I'm disheartened by the simple, anonymous down votes my comments are receiving rather than actual rebuttals. At least you had the decency to respond.
You are being downvoted for fairly obvious reasons, so I think most people don't see the need to tell you why:
First, you added a snarky, negative comment as the first response to someone open-sourcing a new library. There's no need for this, especially when spicyj is (as far as I've seen) an extremely gracious open-sourcer. Your comment's core complaint, about library lock-in, was actually a valid complaint, and something that should be discussed. But sadly, the way you brought up the idea means that no one else will want to engage.
Then, you replied to @spicyj's helpful response, which had I been him I probably wouldn't have even bothered with, with another snarky negative comment.
Finally, someone else jumped into the conversation with another solution, and you replied to their comment with a sarcastic non-question. Not only that, but you used a strawman of "to make a simple rich text editor work", when clearly that's not all Draft.js is trying to do.
And then after all of that, you complained about being anonymously downvoted. (And even in lodging that complaint you somehow managed to further subtly insult @tlrobinson.)
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I actually think your original issue, about library lock-in for text editor's a valid point. I see a lot of work going into separate rich text editors that are all reinventing the same sorts of things, with no clear best solution being developed for real-time use cases like Google Docs or Dropbox Paper. I really wish the perfect, easy solution for those existed.
That said, I'm excited about Draft.js because I think anything that Facebook wants to throw their open-source weight behind will get more love, even if it encourages others to make more competing editor libraries.
Re: React.js Conf live stream [video]
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So your answer is to require pulling in an entire view library just to make a simple rich text editor work? Also, I'm disheartened by the simple, anonymous down votes my comments are receiving rather than actual rebuttals. At least you had the decency to respond.
As far as I know it’s not a “simple” text editor and it solves a pretty complex problem. This might provide you with some additional context: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11153935 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11153945 That said you’re absolutely not “required” to use it. It will be handy to React users because it fits into its component model and thus doesn’t have to implement the reconciliation f…
Sorry, by simple I meant from the user's perspective. I don't mean to downplay the complexity of the actual implementation; it's a very hard problem to solve which is why I'm lamenting the React dependency.
Re: React.js Conf live stream [video]
#68Wow the comments in here are awful. How about some constructive discussions folks? If you're not impressed by React or don't think it's useful, what, if anything, can we say or show you to convince you otherwise? I'm assuming that's what you're here - for knowledge - otherwise, why are you here? I'm glad there have been no major announcements. This isn't an Apple keynote. We should want our tools to be predictable, s…
The comments are pretty bad both ways, i.e. this whole thread is shameful: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11152864
There's little constructive purpose for these bad faith remarks in threads like that in general (I've probably been guilty of some in the past myself). No need to slam one thing to raise up another - let tools stand on their own merit, and criticize based on that alone.
FWIW, I'm pretty heavily involved in the Angular community, and I respect what Facebook has done in creating & fostering React - I keep an eye on it because I love just about all things frontend on the web, even if I don't use React much (although I might use React Native for an app for a community I am a part of).
Re: React.js Conf live stream [video]
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So create a web component that wraps draft.js?
So your answer is to require pulling in an entire view library just to make a simple rich text editor work? Also, I'm disheartened by the simple, anonymous down votes my comments are receiving rather than actual rebuttals. At least you had the decency to respond.
Would you also complain if Google came out with a rich text editor for Android written in Java? React is more than a library, it's an ecosystem. If you don't want to use the ecosystem use something else. Seriously there are like 50 gazillion other editors out there for you.
Your post to HN is not well thought out. Most of us on HN come to read insightful comments with cinstructive critisicm. I came here to see if anyone is discussing it's architecture, performance, potential extensibility, comparison with other editors like CodeMirror and Quill etc. Your comment, in all honesty, sucked.
Re: React.js Conf live stream [video]
#70I would like to be excited for irrelevant things like this as most people on this thread.
Yes, but alas you have so much greater things to care about than us, that it's surprising you even took the time to comment on this thread.
The time I took to write this comments are meaningless compare of the time that it would took me to watch the whole thing. And what I have to say is more important than anything else for me.